"When I acquired ABC, everyone in the motion picture companies had refused to deal with television, but Walt Disney wanted to build Disneyland and he needed money. I made up my mind that I was going to do everything in our power to bring Disney into television. If I could crack Disney, then I could maybe crack the other motion picture companies."

    About This Interview

    In his three-and-a-half-hour interview, the first Archive of American Television interviewee, Leonard H. Goldenson (1905–1999) recalls his early days working for Paramount Theaters and talks extensively about the formation of ABC. He details ABC's programming and the competition it faced from NBC, CBS, and the Hollywood studios. He fondly recalls ABC's eventual rise to become one of television's formidable powers, despite doubts from CBS' William Paley and NBC's David Sarnoff. Goldenson also discusses ABC's long partnership with Walt Disney, and outlines his television deal with Jack Warner. He speaks of the creation of ABC Sports, the popularity of ABC's news anchors, and the very first broadcast of a television miniseries. He outlines several of ABC's hits, including The Fugitive, Charlie's Angels, The Love Boat, Roots, and Monday Night Football. B-roll consists of photos from his life and career - including pictures from events for the organization he helped found, United Cerebral Palsy. Marvin Wolf conducted the interview on May 14, 1996 in Long Boat Key, FL.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his childhood and early influences; on his interest in movies and radio; on attending Harvard University at 16 and going to law school

    09:05

    On getting into the movie business - working for Paramount Theaters; on becoming head of Paramount Theaters

    06:56

    On seeing television for the first time at the 1939 World's Fair; on Paramount's early association with DuMont; on seeing the potential of television; on ABC making a deal with Walt Disney

    05:38

    On his deal with Edward J. Noble (head of Lifesavers) to purchase NBC's Blue network, which became ABC

    05:48

    Chapter 2

    On acquiring ABC and conversations with NBC's David Sarnoff and MGM's Nicholas Schenck; on convincing Paramount's board members to buy ABC; on the state of ABC when he purchased it

    06:22

    On ABC not merging with DuMont; on his programming ideas for ABC and making deals with Walt Disney and Jack Warner; on hiring talent

    05:56

    On his relationship with NBC's David Sarnoff and CBS' William Paley; on Frank Stanton's unsung achievements at CBS; on his relationship with Walt Disney; on others' attempts to take over ABC

    07:29

    On making a deal to merge with ITT (which fell through); on hiring young executives that would become instrumental to the television industry

    06:18

    On ABC's success with Westerns and action-adventure shows; on success with comedies and medical shows; on ABC's deal with Jerry Lewis

    05:08

    Chapter 3

    On ABC's The Fugitive and The F.B.I.; on several other ABC hits and ABC's success with miniseries and movies of the week

    07:08

    On changing the sponsorship model for television; on Oliver E. Treyz's contributions to ABC; on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety

    05:29

    On the success of American Bandstand; on the payola scandal; on his management style, executives he hired, and grooming a successor; on ABC becoming the number one network

    11:13

    On Roone Arledge's impact on ABC, sports, and news; on the success of Monday Night Football

    04:37

    Chapter 4

    On his most important decisions at ABC; on his career regrets; on his close relationships with several American presidents

    11:59

    On ABC being the last network to switch from 15 to 30-minute news broadcasts; on Peter Jennings becoming news anchor; on the ABC anchor team of Harry Reasoner and Barbara Walters; on changes in network news

    03:33

    On ABC's successful movies of the week; on Roots; on believing in Aaron Spelling and shows he produced; on "jiggle television" at ABC

    06:14

    On getting into cable television; on acquiring ESPN and starting A&E and Lifetime; on the future of network television; on merging with Capital Cities and Disney acquiring ABC

    07:03

    Chapter 5

    On what represents the best of television; on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    03:15

    On thoughts on colleagues

    06:15

    On B-roll footage of photos from his life and career

    07:23

    Chapter 6

    On B-roll footage of photos from his life and career: at ABC, at events supporting fundraising for Cerebral Palsy, at school, and playing high school football

    07:57

    On B-roll footage of photos with Richard Nixon, Dick Clark, Walt Disney, Eleanor Roosevelt, Adolph Zukor and others

    21:34

    Chapter 7

    On B-roll footage of photos from his life and career, contd.: photos with Richard Nixon; on his working relationship with Nixon; on the Nixon-Kennedy debates; on photos with John F. Kennedy, Rupert Murdoch, and others

    22:48

    On his access to and relationships with American presidents; on his paintings; on photos of awards and letters

    04:22

    77 Sunset Strip

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with detective/action- adventure shows and westerns

    01:02

    All in the Family

    Leonard H. Goldenson on asking Norman Lear to adapt the British show 'Til Death Do Us Part, in what became All in the Family, and passing it up

    00:43

    American Bandstand

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the payola scandal surrounding American Bandstand

    02:10

    Batman

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with Batman

    00:48

    Charlie's Angels

    Leonard H. Goldenson on "jiggle television" at ABC, personified by Charlie's Angels

    00:45

    Cheyenne

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with Westerns, particularly Cheyenne

    01:08

    FBI, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's The F.B.I.

    00:50

    Fugitive, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's The Fugitive

    02:09

    Hollywood Palace, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with The Hollywood Palace

    00:19

    King's Row

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with Westerns, particularly Cheyenne  

    01:08

    Love Boat, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Aaron Spelling's The Love Boat

    00:55

    Marcus Welby, M.D.

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's Marcus Welby, M.D.

    00:13

    Mod Squad, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Aaron Spelling's Mod Squad

    00:42

    Monday Night Football

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    Roots

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the decision to air Roots on consecutive nights

    01:22

    Soap

    Leonard H. Goldenson on approving ABC's Soap

    00:17

    That Girl

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's That Girl

    00:17

    United States Steel Hour, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on changing the sponsorship model for television

    02:09

    Wonderful World of Disney, The aka Magical World of Disney, The

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC making a deal with Walt Disney to air "Disneyland" on Walt Disney's The Wonderful World of Color

    01:33

    1939-40 World's Fair

    Leonard H. Goldenson on seeing television for the first time at the 1939 World's Fair

    00:34

    Coverage

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    Leonard H. Goldenson on seeing television for the first time at the 1939 World's Fair

    00:34

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Leonard H. Goldenson on seeing television for the first time at the 1939 World's Fair

    00:34

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    00:52

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo of Richard Nixon; on his working relationship with Nixon and on the Nixon-Kennedy debates

    03:21

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Industry Crossroads

    Leonard H. Goldenson on changing the sponsorship model for television

    02:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his most important decisions at ABC

    03:26

    JFK Assassination and Funeral

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    00:52

    John F. Kennedy

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - John F. Kennedy

    01:36

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    00:52

    Kennedy-Nixon Debates

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo of Richard Nixon; on his working relationship with Nixon and on the Nixon-Kennedy debates

    03:21

    Lyndon B. Johnson

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Lyndon B. Johnson

    03:24

    Media Consolidation

    Leonard H. Goldenson on acquiring ESPN and starting A&E

    02:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on merging with Capital Cities

    02:04

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Disney acquiring ABC

    00:29

    Memorable Moments on Television

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Network Creation

    Leonard H. Goldenson his deal with Edward J. Noble (head of Lifesavers) to purchase NBC's Blue network, which became ABC

    05:48

    Leonard H. Goldenson on convincing Paramount's board members to buy ABC

    03:06

    Leonard H. Goldenson on acquiring ESPN and starting A&E

    02:09

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Leonard H. Goldenson on seeing television for the first time at the 1939 World's Fair

    00:34

    Representation on Television

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the impact of Roots

    00:35

    Richard M. Nixon

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Richard M. Nixon

    02:46

    Sports

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    Television and the Presidency

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - John F. Kennedy

    01:35

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Lyndon B. Johnson

    03:24

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Richard M. Nixon

    01:13

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    00:52

    Television Industry

    Leonard H. Goldenson his deal with Edward J. Noble (head of Lifesavers) to purchase NBC's Blue network, which became ABC

    05:48

    Leonard H. Goldenson on convincing Paramount's board members to buy ABC

    03:06

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his programming ideas for ABC and making a deal with Walt and Roy Disney

    02:13

    Leonard H. Goldenson on making a deal with Jack Warner

    00:40

    Leonard H. Goldenson on changing the sponsorship model for television

    02:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his most important decisions at ABC

    03:26

    Leonard H. Goldenson on getting into cable television

    02:01

    Leonard H. Goldenson on acquiring ESPN and starting A&E

    02:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on merging with Capital Cities

    02:04

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Disney acquiring ABC

    00:29

    Underrepresented Voices

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the impact of Roots

    00:35

    We Considered

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Executives

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his management style at ABC

    01:10

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his most important decisions at ABC

    03:26

    Network Founder

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his management style at ABC

    01:10

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his most important decisions at ABC

    03:26

    News and Documentary

    Leonard H. Goldenson on putting Roone Arledge in charge of news

    01:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on changes in network news due to network ownership

    01:01

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the network aftermath of JFK's assassination

    00:52

    Leonard H. Goldenson on what represents television at its best - news

    00:33

    Sports

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    TV Movies/Miniseries/Dramatic Specials

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with miniseries and movies of the week

    02:37

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the decision to air Roots on consecutive nights

    01:22

    Western Series

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's success with Westerns

    05:03

    Roone Arledge

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Roone Arledge's impact on ABC and sports

    01:48

    Leonard H. Goldenson on putting Roone Arledge in charge of news

    01:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Roone Arledge

    00:04

    Barney Balaban

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Paramount head Barney Balaban and his early association with DuMont television

    02:45

    Jack Benny

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Jack Benny

    00:34

    Ted Bergmann

    Leonard H. Goldenson on DuMont head Ted Bergmann and ABC not merging with DuMont

    00:37

    Dick Clark

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the payola scandal surrounding American Bandstand

    02:10

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Dick Clark

    00:34

    Howard Cosell

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the success of Monday Night Football

    01:40

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Howard Cosell

    00:23

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Henry Kissinger and Howard Cosell at a United Cerebral Palsy event

    02:16

    Barry Diller

    Leonard H. Goldenson on hiring young executives that would become instrumental to the television industry

    01:05

    Leonard H. Goldenson on heading up ABC's movies of the week

    01:07

    Walt Disney

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC making a deal with Walt Disney

    01:33

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his programming ideas for ABC and making a deal with Walt and Roy Disney

    02:13

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his relationship with Walt Disney

    00:56

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Walt Disney telling him he wanted to be number one

    00:26

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Walt Disney

    00:05

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Walt Disney and his wife

    00:44

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Walt Disney and others after ABC's deal with Disney

    00:36

    Roy E. Disney

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his programming ideas for ABC and making a deal with Walt and Roy Disney

    02:13

    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Dwight D. Eisenhower and his wife

    01:26

    Michael Eisner

    Leonard H. Goldenson on hiring young executives that would become instrumental to the television industry

    01:05

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his management style at ABC and managing Michael Eisner

    00:30

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Michael Eisner

    01:15

    Billy Graham

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Billy Graham

    01:59

    Alger Hiss

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Howard K. Smith wanting to do a story on Nixon

    01:46

    Bob Hope

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo of an award presented to Bob Hope

    00:35

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo of a Christmas card of Bob Hope; on Hope's involvement with Goldenson's foundation for Cerebral Palsy

    02:12

    Roy Huggins

    Leonard H. Goldenson on The Fugitive

    02:09

    Howard Hughes

    Leonard H. Goldenson on others' attempts to take over ABC (including Howard Hughes)

    02:13

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Howard Hughes

    00:45

    Peter Jennings

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Peter Jennings becoming news anchor at ABC

    00:43

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Peter Jennings

    00:11

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Peter Jennings

    00:18

    Lyndon B. Johnson

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Lyndon B. Johnson

    03:24

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Lyndon B. Johnson

    03:01

    John F. Kennedy

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - John F. Kennedy; on his dealings with Joseph Kennedy

    02:12

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with JFK and Jackie Kennedy in 1960

    00:20

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with John F. Kennedy and others at a Boston Children's Hospital event

    03:23

    Henry Kissinger

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Henry Kissinger and Howard Cosell at a United Cerebral Palsy event

    02:16

    Ted Koppel

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Ted Koppel and Tom Murphy

    02:09

    Abe Lastfogel

    Leonard H. Goldenson on William Morris' Abe Lastfogel helping ABC acquire talent

    00:41

    Norman Lear

    Leonard H. Goldenson on asking Norman Lear to adapt the British show 'Til Death Do Us Part, in what became All in the Family, and passing it up

    00:43

    Jerry Lewis

    Leonard H. Goldenson on ABC's deal with Jerry Lewis

    01:08

    Joseph McCarthy

    Leonard H. Goldenson on airing the McCarthy Hearings in their entirety on ABC

    01:16

    Rupert Murdoch

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a career regret - selling stock in Rupert Murdoch's company

    00:55

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Rupert Murdoch

    01:33

    Thomas Murphy

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Ted Koppel and Tom Murphy

    02:09

    Richard M. Nixon

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his close relationships with several American presidents - Richard M. Nixon

    01:13

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Richard Nixon

    00:38

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Richard M. Nixon

    02:23

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo of Richard Nixon; on his working relationship with Nixon and on the Nixon-Kennedy debates

    03:21

    Edward J. Noble

    Leonard H. Goldenson his deal with Edward J. Noble (head of Lifesavers) to purchase NBC's Blue network, which became ABC

    05:48

    William S. Paley

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his relationship with NBC's David Sarnoff and CBS' William Paley

    01:11

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with CBS' William Paley and NBC's David Sarnoff

    01:08

    Ronald Reagan

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Ronald Reagan

    00:34

    Harry Reasoner

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the ABC anchor team of Harry Reasoner and Barbara Walters

    01:26

    Eleanor Roosevelt

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Eleanor Roosevelt

    01:46

    Elton H. Rule

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Elton Rule's contributions to ABC 

    01:52

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Elton Rule

    00:03

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Elton Rule

    00:25

    Anwar Sadat

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Anwar Sadat

    01:11

    David Sarnoff

    Leonard H. Goldenson on acquiring ABC and having a conversation with NBC's David Sarnoff

    01:42

    Leonard H. Goldenson on his relationship with NBC's David Sarnoff and CBS' William Paley

    00:43

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with CBS' William Paley and NBC's David Sarnoff

    01:08

    Edgar J. Scherick

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Roone Arledge's impact on ABC and sports and recruiting Edgar Scherick

    01:48

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Ed Scherick

    00:06

    Fred Silverman

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the decision to air Roots on consecutive nights

    01:22

    Howard K. Smith

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Howard K. Smith wanting to do a story on Nixon

    01:46

    Aaron Spelling

    Leonard H. Goldenson on believing in Aaron Spelling

    03:55

    Frank Stanton

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Frank Stanton's unsung achievements at CBS

    00:42

    Elizabeth Taylor

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Elizabeth Taylor

    00:34

    Danny Thomas

    Leonard H. Goldenson on William Morris' Abe Lastfogel helping ABC acquire talent

    00:41

    Marlo Thomas

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Marlo Thomas

    00:20

    Laurence A. Tisch

    Leonard H. Goldenson on making a deal to merge with ITT (which fell through)

    03:08

    Oliver E. Treyz

    Leonard H. Goldenson on hiring young executives that would become instrumental to the television industry

    01:30

    Leonard H. Goldenson on Oliver E. Treyz's contributions to ABC

    01:20

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Oliver Treyz

    00:22

    Donald J. Trump

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Donald Trump

    00:42

    Barbara Walters

    Leonard H. Goldenson on the ABC anchor team of Harry Reasoner and Barbara Walters

    01:26

    Jack L. Warner

    Leonard H. Goldenson on making a deal with Jack Warner

    00:40

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Jack Warner

    00:14

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Jack Warner

    03:10

    Lew Wasserman

    Leonard H. Goldenson on negotiating movies of the week with Lew Wasserman

    01:07

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Lew Wasserman

    00:32

    Sylvester L. "Pat" Weaver

    Leonard H. Goldenson on thoughts on colleagues - Pat Weaver

    00:15

    Lawrence Welk

    Leonard H. Goldenson on getting Lawrence Welk on the air

    00:49

    Adolph Zukor

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with his wife and Adolph Zukor

    01:41

    Leonard H. Goldenson on a photo with Adolph Zukor and Barney Balaban

    01:31

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