"If you simply say to a person, 'here's what I expect of you,' and leave him the hell alone, they'll probably give you a much better job than you could have dreamed of if you'd have written very tight specifications -- because that's what they do for a living."

    About This Interview

    In his over four-hour interview, Charles "Cappy" Cappleman (1926-2021) discusses his tenure at the NBC Summer Radio-TV Institute at Northwestern University, and his interactions with Chicago television greats including Dave Garroway, Bob Banner, and the cast of Kukla, Fran and Ollie. He recalls his early years at CBS in the mid-1950s, working as a floor manager on programs including The Judy Garland Show, The Red Skelton Show, and Climax! Next, Cappleman talks about becoming manager of stage operations and his involvement in programs such as Playhouse 90, Studio One, Person to Person, and The Ed Sullivan Show. He also touches on his work with the production electronics department, and his promotion to director of program production services, where he worked on programs including The Carol Burnett Show and All in the Family. Finally, he discusses his role as the general manager of Television City. Sam Denoff conducted the interview on December 13, 2000 at CBS Television City in Hollywood, CA.

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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on the first time he saw television, and on his early experience with it

    15:11

    On his experiences as a disc jockey; on attending Northwestern University, and on witness the birth of television while interning at the NBC affiliate in Chicago; on the technology at the dawn of television

    12:48

    Chapter 2

    On playing "race records" as a disc jockey; on working with Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom at NBC in Chicago; on working with Studs Terkel on Studs' Place, and on Chicago in the 1950s

    06:59

    On his experiences during the Korean War; on becoming a stage manager at CBS; on stage managing for My Friend Irma and The Red Skelton Show

    14:06

    On how CBS in Los Angeles was structured in the 1950s; on working for William S. Paley and Frank Stanton; on his involvement with NASA and covering the space program

    07:35

    Chapter 3

    On his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90; on working with Judy Garland on Ford Star Jubilee, and on working with big stars; on stage managing for the series Meet Millie and My Favorite Husband

    11:04

    On stage managing That's My Boy! and The Jo Stafford Show; on the stages at CBS Television City; on celebrating the 33rd Anniversary of The Carol Burnett Show on stage 33 at Television City with the cast of the show

    08:39

    On various people he worked with as a stage manager, including Judy Garland and Jack Benny

    09:57

    Chapter 4

    On becoming manager of stage operations at CBS; on working on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person; on the production challenges of Playhouse 90, and on working with John Frankenheimer and Fred Coe

    12:43

    On casting director Ethel Winant and producer David Susskind; on the directors and writers of Playhouse 90; on Studio One, and on Herbert Brodkin and Worthington Miner

    06:22

    On The Ed Sullivan Show; on the Hollywood Blacklist; on his duties as assistant director of design and production operations at CBS in the 1960s

    09:29

    Chapter 5

    On managing the production electronics department at CBS; on the technological innovation he oversaw at CBS as manager of production electronics; on attending the Don Martin School of Broadcasting

    07:42

    On the role CBS executives like Frank Stanton played in technological innovation while he was manager of production electronic, and on its impact on news gathering; on how new technology impacted the CBS coverage of political conventions

    11:49

    On his duties as director of special projects at CBS; on his duties as director of program production services at CBS; on The Carol Burnett Show

    08:42

    Chapter 6

    On working with Joe Hamilton and Dave Powers on The Carol Burnett Show; on All in the Family produced by Norman Lear, and on director Paul Bogart; on the cast of All in the Family, including Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, and Rob Reiner

    12:39

    On Captain & Tennille ; on CBS Playhouse; on being hired by Bob Daly to become general manager of Television City

    08:20

    On the various stages at CBS Television City; on the technological innovations that emanated from CBS Television City; on the advent of video tape, and the impact it had on production

    08:25

    Chapter 7

    On where CBS produced their shows before Television City; on the advent and development of video tape, and how it impacted production; on CBS Television City converting to color broadcasting

    06:58

    On attending a yearly CBS affiliates conference; on how the distribution of shows to the CBS affiliates changed over time

    07:23

    On William S. Paley and Frank Stanton; on James T. Aburey and Robert D. Wood; on how Frank Stanton leaving CBS impacted the network

    10:19

    On William S. Paley's management style; on Laurence A. Tisch

    03:41

    Chapter 8

    On the consolidation of Viacom, CBS, and Infinity, and on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves; on how Television City has changed over the years; on implementing HDTV at CBS

    13:16

    On the emergence of new media; on his advice to aspiring television executives; on his involvement in various charities

    08:32

    On his mentors and career achievements and regrets; on how he would like to be remembered; on various people he worked with in his career

    06:45

    Chapter 9

    On various people with whom he worked in his career

    14:33

    All in the Family

    Charles Cappleman on All in the Family produced by Norman Lear

    02:50

    Charles Cappleman on All in the Family director Paul Bogart

    01:52

    Charles Cappleman on the cast of All in the Family, including Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, and Rob Reiner

    03:27

    Captain & Tennille

    Charles Cappleman on Captain & Tennille

    01:20

    Carol Burnett Show, The (1967-78)

    Charles Cappleman on celebrating the 33rd Anniversary of The Carol Burnett Show on stage 33 at Television City with the cast of the show

    02:53

    Charles Cappleman on The Carol Burnett Show

    03:55

    Charles Cappleman on working with Joe Hamilton and Dave Powers on The Carol Burnett Show

    04:30

    CBS Playhouse

    Charles Cappleman on CBS Playhouse

    01:58

    Climax!

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Ed Sullivan Show, The aka Toast of the Town

    Charles Cappleman on The Ed Sullivan Show

    02:57

    Ford Star Jubilee

    Charles Cappleman on working with Judy Garland on Ford Star Jubilee, and on working with big stars

    01:55

    Charles Cappleman on working with Judy Garland on Ford Star Jubilee

    03:06

    Jack Benny Program, The

    Charles Cappleman on working with Nat Perrin and Jack Benny on The Jack Benny Program

    02:11

    Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    Charles Cappleman on working with Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom at NBC in Chicago

    04:19

    Meet Millie

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing for the series Meet Millie and My Favorite Husband

    03:11

    Person to Person

    Charles Cappleman on working on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person

    03:55

    Playhouse 90

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Charles Cappleman on the production challenges of Playhouse 90, and on working with John Frankenheimer and Fred Coe

    05:22

    Charles Cappleman on the directors and writers of Playhouse 90

    01:12

    Red Skelton Show, The

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing for My Friend Irma and The Red Skelton Show

    02:09

    Studio One

    Charles Cappleman on Studio One, and on Herbert Brodkin and Worthington Miner

    01:35

    Studs' Place

    Charles Cappleman on working with Studs Terkel on Studs' Place, and on Chicago in the 1950s

    00:53

    That's My Boy!

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing That's My Boy! and The Jo Stafford Show

    02:42

    Advice

    Charles Cappleman on his advice to aspiring television executives

    01:32

    Classic TV Series Episodes

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    Charles Cappleman on his mentors

    00:45

    Drama

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    First Big Break

    Charles Cappleman on becoming a stage manager at CBS

    01:44

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Charles Cappleman on the Korean War interrupting his broadcasting career

    10:12

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Charles Cappleman on the Hollywood Blacklist

    04:59

    Industry Crossroads

    Charles Cappleman on the Hollywood Blacklist

    04:59

    Korean War

    Charles Cappleman on his involvement in the Korean War

    10:12

    Media Consolidation

    Charles Cappleman on the consolidation of Viacom, CBS, and Infinity, and on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    04:30

    New Media

    Charles Cappleman on the emergence of new media

    05:00

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Charles Cappleman on becoming a stage manager at CBS

    01:44

    Charles Cappleman on his mentors

    00:45

    Pop Culture

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Studio and Network Management

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley

    03:04

    Charles Cappleman on Frank Stanton

    02:21

    Charles Cappleman on James T. Aburey and Robert D. Wood

    03:19

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley's management style

    01:07

    Technological Innovation

    Charles Cappleman on the technology at the dawn of television

    05:22

    Charles Cappleman on the technological innovation he oversaw at CBS as manager of the production electronics department

    01:50

    Charles Cappleman on the role CBS executives like Frank Stanton played in technological innovation while he was manager of the production electronics department, and on its impact on news gathering

    06:42

    Charles Cappleman on how new technology impacted the CBS coverage of political conventions

    05:07

    Charles Cappleman on the technological innovations that emanated from CBS Television City

    02:30

    Charles Cappleman on the advent of video tape, and the impact it had on production

    02:40

    Charles Cappleman on the advent and development of video tape, and how it impacted production

    04:33

    Charles Cappleman on CBS Television City converting to color broadcasting

    01:25

    Charles Cappleman on how the distribution of shows to the CBS affiliates changed over time

    03:31

    Charles Cappleman on implementing HDTV at CBS

    03:20

    Television Industry

    Charles Cappleman on how CBS in Los Angeles was structured in the 1950s

    01:30

    Charles Cappleman on the stages at CBS Television City

    03:08

    Charles Cappleman on the Hollywood Blacklist

    04:59

    Charles Cappleman on the various stages at CBS Television City

    03:15

    Charles Cappleman on where CBS produced their shows before Television City

    01:00

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley

    03:04

    Charles Cappleman on Frank Stanton

    02:21

    Charles Cappleman on James T. Aburey and Robert D. Wood

    03:19

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley's management style

    01:07

    Charles Cappleman on the consolidation of Viacom, CBS, and Infinity, and on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    04:31

    Charles Cappleman on how Television City has changed over the years

    05:25

    Charles Cappleman on the emergence of new media

    05:00

    Charles Cappleman on his advice to aspiring television executives

    01:32

    War

    Charles Cappleman on the Korean War interrupting his broadcasting career

    10:12

    Executives

    Charles Cappleman on being hired by Bob Daly to become general manager of Television City

    05:02

    Charles Cappleman on attending a yearly CBS affiliates conference

    03:52

    Charles Cappleman on his advice to aspiring television executives

    01:32

    Production Professionals

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as assistant director of design and production operations at CBS in the 1960s

    01:33

    Charles Cappleman on managing the production electronics department at CBS

    04:39

    Charles Cappleman on the technological innovation he oversaw at CBS as manager of production electronics

    01:50

    Charles Cappleman on the role CBS executives like Frank Stanton played in technological innovation while he was manager of production electronic, and on its impact on news gathering

    06:42

    Charles Cappleman on how new technology impacted the CBS coverage of political conventions

    05:07

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as director of special projects at CBS

    03:14

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as director of program production services at CBS

    01:32

    Stage Manager

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Television Executive

    Charles Cappleman on being hired by Bob Daly to become general manager of Television City

    05:02

    Charles Cappleman on attending a yearly CBS affiliates conference

    03:52

    Classic Anthology Series

    Charles Cappleman on his duties as a stage manager, and on working on Climax! and Playhouse 90

    05:58

    Charles Cappleman on the production challenges of Playhouse 90

    10:08

    Charles Cappleman on Studio One, and on Herbert Brodkin and Worthington Minor

    01:35

    Charles Cappleman on CBS Playhouse

    01:58

    Comedy Series

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing for the series Meet Millie and My Favorite Husband

    03:11

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing That's My Boy! and The Jo Stafford Show

    02:44

    Charles Cappleman on The Carol Burnett Show

    03:56

    Charles Cappleman on All in the Family

    08:09

    Music Shows & Variety Shows/Specials

    Charles Cappleman on working with Judy Garland on Ford Star Jubilee, and on working with big stars

    01:55

    Charles Cappleman on stage managing That's My Boy! and The Jo Stafford Show

    02:44

    Charles Cappleman on celebrating the 33rd Anniversary of The Carol Burnett Show on stage 33 at Television City with the cast of the show

    02:47

    Charles Cappleman on The Ed Sullivan Show

    02:57

    Charles Cappleman on working with Joe Hamilton and Dave Powers on The Carol Burnett Show

    04:29

    Charles Cappleman on Captain & Tennille

    01:20

    News and Documentary

    Charles Cappleman on working on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person

    03:55

    Talk Shows

    Charles Cappleman on working on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person

    03:55

    James T. Aubrey

    Charles Cappleman on James T. Aburey and Robert D. Wood

    03:19

    Charles Cappleman on James T. Aubrey

    00:16

    Bob Barker

    Charles Cappleman on Bob Barker

    00:25

    Jack Benny

    Charles Cappleman on working with Nat Perrin and Jack Benny on The Jack Benny Program

    02:30

    Seymour Berns

    Charles Cappleman on working with Seymour Berns on The Red Skelton Show

    03:04

    Herbert Brodkin

    Charles Cappleman on Studio One, and on Herbert Brodkin and Worthington Miner

    01:35

    Carol Burnett

    Charles Cappleman on The Carol Burnett Show

    03:55

    Walter Cronkite

    Charles Cappleman on Walter Cronkite

    00:42

    Bob Daly

    Charles Cappleman on being hired by Bob Daly to become general manager of Television City

    05:02

    Charles Cappleman on Bob Daly

    00:17

    Michael Dann

    Charles Cappleman on Michael Dann

    00:41

    Fred Friendly

    Charles Cappleman on Fred Friendly

    00:12

    Judy Garland

    Charles Cappleman on working with Judy Garland on Ford Star Jubilee

    03:06

    Charles Cappleman on Judy Garland

    00:13

    Whoopi Goldberg

    Charles Cappleman on Whoopi Goldberg

    00:17

    Joe Hamilton

    Charles Cappleman on working with Joe Hamilton and Dave Powers on The Carol Burnett Show

    04:29

    Mel Karmazin

    Charles Cappleman on the consolidation of Viacom, CBS, and Infinity, and on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    04:30

    Charles Cappleman on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    00:13

    Danny Kaye

    Charles Cappleman on Danny Kaye

    00:27

    Perry Lafferty

    Charles Cappleman on Perry Lafferty

    00:15

    Worthington Miner

    Charles Cappleman on Studio One, and on Herbert Brodkin and Worthington Miner

    01:35

    Leslie Moonves

    Charles Cappleman on the consolidation of Viacom, CBS, and Infinity, and on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    04:30

    Charles Cappleman on Mel Karmazin and Leslie Moonves

    00:13

    Mary Tyler Moore

    Charles Cappleman on Mary Tyler Moore

    02:48

    Anne Nelson

    Charles Cappleman on Anne Nelson

    01:09

    Bob Newhart

    Charles Cappleman on Bob Newhart

    00:11

    Carroll O'Connor

    Charles Cappleman on the cast of All in the Family, including Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, and Rob Reiner

    03:27

    William S. Paley

    Charles Cappleman on working for William S. Paley and Frank Stanton

    02:19

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley

    03:04

    Charles Cappleman on William S. Paley's management style

    01:07

    Nat Perrin

    Charles Cappleman on working with Nat Perrin and Jack Benny on The Jack Benny Program

    02:30

    Dave Powers

    Charles Cappleman on working with Joe Hamilton and Dave Powers on The Carol Burnett Show

    04:29

    Rob Reiner

    Charles Cappleman on the cast of All in the Family, including Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, and Rob Reiner

    03:27

    Hubbell Robinson

    Charles Cappleman on Hubbell Robinson

    00:12

    Marion Ross

    Charles Cappleman on Marion Ross

    01:00

    Fred Silverman

    Charles Cappleman on Fred Silverman

    00:21

    Frank Stanton

    Charles Cappleman on working for William S. Paley and Frank Stanton

    02:19

    Charles Cappleman on the role CBS executives like Frank Stanton played in technological innovation while he was manager of the production electronics department, and on its impact on news gathering

    06:42

    Charles Cappleman on Frank Stanton

    02:21

    Charles Cappleman on how Frank Stanton leaving CBS impacted the network

    01:35

    Jean Stapleton

    Charles Cappleman on the cast of All in the Family, including Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, and Rob Reiner

    03:27

    David Susskind

    Chales Cappleman on David Susskind

    02:39

    Studs Terkel

    Charles Cappleman on working with Studs Terkel on Studs' Place, and on Chicago in the 1950s

    00:53

    Burr Tillstrom

    Charles Cappleman on working with Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom at NBC in Chicago

    04:19

    Laurence A. Tisch

    Charles Cappleman on Laurence A. Tisch

    02:34

    Charles Cappleman on Laurence A. Tisch

    00:24

    Norman Tokar

    Charles Cappleman on working with Norman Tokar

    00:34

    William J. Bell, Jr.

    Charles Cappleman on William J. Bell, Jr.

    00:31

    Ethel Winant

    Chales Cappleman on casting director Ethel Winant

    00:55

    Charles Cappleman on Ethel Winant

    00:46

    Robert D. Wood

    Charles Cappleman on James T. Aburey and Robert D. Wood

    03:19

    Charles Cappleman on Robert D. Wood

    00:29

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