"He [Desi Arnaz] came back from lunch one day. He said, 'I just bought RKO.'"

    About This Interview

    "Bob said, 'I don't want to get tied down, I'll give it a year.' We've been writing together, it'll be 50 years -- and he wasn't sure it would work out," Madelyn Pugh Davis laughs. Bob Carroll, Jr. (1918-2007) and writing partner Madelyn Pugh Davis (1921-2011) first began writing for radio as a team in about 1946; in television they were writers on every one of Lucille Ball's series.

    In their two-and-a-half-hour interview, each briefly recounts their early years and influences and then sit together for a career-spanning interview which begins with their work in radio for such legends as Steve Allen. They eventually became writers on radio's My Favorite Husband, which starred Lucille Ball. When Ball made the transition to television with I Love Lucy, producer Jess Oppenheimer hired the team as writers. They discuss in great length the process of writing for I Love Lucy and the immense talents of the cast. They recount how some of the classic scenes came about (including the candy factory scene) and how production of the show was done. They briefly discuss working on Ball's subsequent series and as well as a few non-Lucy sitcoms including Alice. When Lucille Ball returned to television in 1986 for her ill-fated Life with Lucy, Carroll and Davis were there, too, although Davis admits "none of us should have done it." They conclude the interview with their thoughts on the legacy of I Love Lucy and the timelessness of the series. Tom Gilbert conducted the interview on November 24, 1997 in Los Angeles, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early years and influences; on his start in radio before teaming up with writing partner Madelyn Pugh Davis

    09:10

    Chapter 2

    START OF JOINT INTERVIEW WITH BOB CARROLL, JR. AND MADELYN PUGH DAVIS: On teaming up as writing partners on the Ethel & Albert radio comedy, The Couple Next Door

    00:51

    On their early radio work and on their writing style in-general

    58:30

    On working on Steve Allen's radio show and leaving to work on My Favorite Husband

    55:42

    On working on the radio show My Favorite Husband and working with Lucille Ball for the first time

    53:46

    On the initial development, character creation, and production details of I Love Lucy

    43:17

    On the origin of the name "Mertz" and how Desi Arnaz's accent played into the comedy of I Love Lucy

    33:13

    Chapter 3

    On bringing I Love Lucy to television

    04:59

    On working with Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball

    09:33

    On the writing and production on I Love Lucy

    14:36

    Chapter 4

    On writing the pilot of I Love Lucy

    58:56

    On I Love Lucy getting sold and writing the first scripts

    56:49

    On writing Lucy Ricardo's pregnancy episodes when Lucille Ball became pregnant

    50:22

    On the Blacklist and Lucille Ball being accused Communist affiliations

    44:37

    On writing the move of the Ricardos to Hollywood on I Love Lucy

    41:57

    On the growth in popularity of I Love Lucy after its premiere

    38:32

    On Those Whiting Girls and the addition of Bob Schiller & Bob Weiskopf to the I Love Lucy writing staff

    34:51

    On the treatment of women writers and producers

    32:52

    Chapter 5

    On I Love Lucy and the Emmy Awards; Jess Oppenheimer's departure

    03:02

    On aging "Little Ricky" on I Love Lucy and the casting of Keith Thibodeaux

    56:09

    On moving I Love Lucy's Ricardos to Connecticut and the new sets

    54:57

    On the hourlong I Love Lucy shows (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour )

    53:26

    On writing specific classic episodes of I Love Lucy

    51:28

    On working for Desi Arnaz as consultants at Desilu after I Love Lucy went off the air

    04:08

    On working on The Tom Ewell Show

    00:55

    On the end of Lucy and Desi's marriage and subsequent work with Lucy on Broadway

    37:47

    On producing The Lucy Show

    04:59

    Chapter 6

    On working with Desi Arnaz and others on various projects including Here's Lucy

    04:53

    On producing Alice and Dorothy

    54:13

    On producing Life with Lucy

    50:27

    On the legacy of I Love Lucy and how they'd like to be remembered

    01:16

    Alice

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on producing Alice

    02:37

    Here's Lucy

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on their work on Here's Lucy

    02:20

    I Love Lucy

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on meeting Lucille Ball when they were writers on her radio show

    02:28

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the development of I Love Lucy

    12:25

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on transitioning from radio's My Favorite Husband to TV's I Love Lucy

    02:21

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the inspiration for the pizza-making scene in the "Visitor From Italy"  (aired October 29, 1956) episode of I Love Lucy

    01:08

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with Desi Arnaz; they also detail the production of I Love Lucy

    11:33

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing I Love Lucy

    13:36

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the show being sold; and writing the scripts for I Love Lucy

    08:34

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Lucy Ricardo's pregnancy storyline on I Love Lucy

    04:29

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the decision to move the Ricardos to Hollywood on I Love Lucy

    02:28

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing for guest stars on I Love Lucy and how the episode, "L.A. at Last" (aired February 7, 1955) with William Holden 

    00:30

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing specific classic episodes of I Love Lucy

    08:38

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the timelessness of I Love Lucy

    01:37

    I Love Lucy: "Job Switching"

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing the I Love Lucy episode "Job Switching" (candy factory)

    00:43

    I Love Lucy: "Lucy Does a TV Commercial"

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Lucille Ball doing "vitameatavegamin" in one take

    00:39

    Life With Lucy

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on producing Life with Lucy

    01:12

    Lucy Show, The

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working on The Lucy Show

    01:52

    Mothers-In-Law, The

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on The Mothers-In-Law

    01:17

    My Favorite Husband

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing for radio's My Favorite Husband

    13:03

    Those Whiting Girls

    Bob Carroll, Jr. &ƒ Madelyn Pugh Davis briefly on working on Those Whiting Girls at Desilu

    00:59

    Tom Ewell Show, The

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on creating The Tom Ewell Show

    00:55

    Comedy

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "Lucy Does a Commercial" (Vitameatavegamin)

    00:39

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing the I Love Lucy episode "Job Switching" (candy factory)

    01:03

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "Lucy's Italian Movie" (grape stomping)

    00:52

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "L.A. at Last" (nose catches fire)

    01:33

    Emmy Awards

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on producing I Love Lucy and the Emmy Awards

    01:38

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the Blacklist and Lucille Ball's being branded a Communist during I Love Lucy

    02:40

    Studio and Network Management

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis briefly on working at Desilu

    01:19

    We Laughed

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "Lucy is Enciente," where she tells Ricky she's pregnant

    00:47

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "Lucy Does a Commercial" (Vitameatavegamin)

    00:39

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the birth of "Little Ricky" on I Love Lucy

    00:57

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing the I Love Lucy episode "Job Switching" (candy factory)

    01:03

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "Lucy's Italian Movie" (grape stomping)

    00:52

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "L.A. at Last" (nose catches fire)

    01:33

    Women

    Madelyn Pugh Davis (with Bob Carroll, Jr.) on the early treatment of female radio and television writers and producers

    01:57

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the treatment of female producers

    00:43

    Writers

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on their working style in their writing partnership

    02:48

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on their writing process on I Love Lucy

    05:18

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on scripting I Love Lucy's physical comedy

    00:47

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing for Lucille Ball

    02:20

    Comedy Series

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the preparations to film I Love Lucy in Hollywood 

    04:02

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on thd timelessness of I Love Lucy

    01:37

    Steve Allen

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing for Steve Allen's radio show, It's a Great Life

    01:12

    Desi Arnaz

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on using Desi Arnaz's accent for comedic effect on I Love Lucy

    00:51

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Desi Arnaz and his management style

    05:01

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on how Desi Arnaz worked with writers on I Love Lucy

    01:20

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with Desi Arnaz after I Love Lucy

    06:05

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the breakup of Lucy and Desi's marriage

    01:07

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Desi Arnaz

    00:12

    Lucille Ball

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on meeting Lucille Ball when they were writers on her radio show

    02:28

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing for Lucille Ball

    01:08

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on audiences' love for Lucille Ball

    01:02

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the breakup of Lucy and Desi's marriage

    01:07

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on producing Life with Lucy

    01:12

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis briefly on Lucille Ball's success

    00:22

    Marc Daniels

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with director Marc Daniels on I Love Lucy and Alice

    01:16

    William Frawley

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on how William Frawley was cast as Fred Mertz on I Love Lucy

    01:22

    Karl Freund

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on director of photography Karl Freund's work on I Love Lucy

    01:40

    Wilbur Hatch

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with I Love Lucy bandleader Wilbur Hatch

    00:22

    William Holden

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the I Love Lucy episode "L.A. at Last" (where Lucy's nose catches fire)

    01:33

    Polly Holliday

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with Polly Holliday on Alice

    00:35

    Jess Oppenheimer

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with producer Jess Oppenheimer on I Love Lucy

    01:17

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on their writing process on I Love Lucy

    05:18

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working on I Love Lucy with Jess Oppenheimer

    00:57

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on writing I Love Lucy and Jess Oppenheimer writing the final draft

    01:00

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Jess Oppenheimer leaving I Love Lucy

    01:24

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on Jess Oppenheimer

    00:10

    Madelyn Pugh Davis

    Bob Carroll, Jr. on meeting his future writing partner, Madelyn Pugh Davis

    00:53

    Martha Raye

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with Martha Raye on Alice

    00:22

    Bob Schiller

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the addition of the writing team of Bob Schiller & Bob Weiskopf to I Love Lucy

    01:00

    Alan Shayne

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with TV executive Alan Shayne on Alice

    01:27

    Vic Tayback

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with Vic Tayback on Alice

    00:23

    Keith Thibodeaux

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis aging "Little Ricky" and casting Keith Thibodeaux on I Love Lucy

    01:12

    Vivian Vance

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on working with1 I Love Lucy's Vivian Vance

    01:44

    Bob Weiskopf

    Bob Carroll, Jr. & Madelyn Pugh Davis on the addition of the writing team of Bob Schiller & Bob Weiskopf to I Love Lucy

    00:00

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