"ABC was our family. When that family changed it became Capital Cities, it wasn't the same anymore. We'd started at nothing and we all built this company up and we had great affection for the company, and we felt strange it being owned by somebody else now. I'm sure Leonard Goldenson felt the same way."

    About This Interview

    In his four-hour interview, Herb Jellinek talks about his 37-year tenure at ABC from 1952-89, including his rise through the ranks from billing clerk in the accounting department to vice president in charge of production for ABC Entertainment and ABC Circle Films. He speaks in detail about ABC executives Leonard H. Goldenson, Elton Rule, Edgar Scherick, Si Siegal, Michael Eisner, Fred Silverman, and Barry Diller. He talks about ABC series ranging from The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet to Soap. Jellinek discusses several noteworthy television movies and miniseries he oversaw at ABC Circle Films, including Love Among the Ruins (in which he fondly recalled working with Katharine Hepburn) and War and Remembrance. He concludes by recalling his association with the Television Academy, where he served as CFO (and later executive vice president) from 1991 to 2003. Michael Rosen conducted the interview on March 4, 2005 in Tarzana, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences

    12:29

    On his family fleeing Austria for the United States, and his father being in a concentration camp; on why his family chose to come to the United States, and on settling in the US; on his early impressions arriving in New York, and on finding a job in the city

    16:33

    Chapter 2

    On his decision to come to the United States from Vienna; on going to work as a gopher for ABC and his first experiences seeing television; on the state of ABC radio and television when he arrived, and on what he learned in his early years there

    11:25

    On the dire financial state of ABC when he first arrived, and how it eventually emerged as a competitor due to Leonard H. Goldenson; on his marriage in 1953; on becoming assistant supervisor of cost accounting at ABC in 1955

    16:47

    Chapter 3

    On the financial specifics of ABC in the 1950s, and the shows on the air there at the time; on The Lawrence Welk Show, and on the different formats shows were shot in; on the relationship between ABC's Leonard H. Goldenson and Walt Disney

    09:02

    On ABC's coverage of the Senator Joseph McCarthy hearings; on how ABC created the business model for television networks; on his various positions moving up the ranks of ABC

    21:17

    Chapter 4

    On organizing the budgets for ABC; on ITT's attempted takeover of ABC; on working with ABC President Elton H. Rule, and on moving back to New York

    11:09

    On becoming head of production at ABC Circle Films and on working with Barry Diller; on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    13:40

    Chapter 5

    On ABC Circle Films' production of Eleanor and Franklin and art director Jan Scott; on ABC Circle Films' production of The Jericho Mile; on ABC Circle Films' production of Ike: The War Years, and on The Day After

    13:13

    On War and Remembrance, starring Robert Mitchum

    15:26

    Chapter 6

    On Jane Seymour in War and Remembrance and other members of the cast and crew; on overseeing production for ABC Motion Pictures, ABC's then-feature film division, and on the feature "Young Doctors in Love"; on various ABC Motion pictures productions

    12:14

    On Moonlighting, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis; on being vice president in charge of entertainment for ABC in the '80s; on Soap

    08:48

    On the sale of ABC to Capital Cities in 1985, and on his retirement from ABC; on Leonard H. Goldenson's role at ABC after the sale to Capital Cities

    07:37

    Chapter 7

    On various people with whom he's worked in his career; on coming to work with the Television Academy; on the staff he worked with at the Television Academy

    15:04

    On ABC getting the Emmys for three years starting in 1993, and on the "wheel" agreement; on adding an Emmy category for commercials, and on the Television Academy's relationship with the National Academy; on the growth of the Television Academy during his tenure, and on the then-future of the Academy

    10:01

    On his management style and on what he enjoyed about working for ABC

    02:57

    Chapter 8

    On the nature of the competition between the networks during his tenure at ABC; on William S. Paley and Thomas W. Sarnoff; on how he would like to be remembered

    06:29

    On b-roll footage from his career- during the production of Love Among the Ruins; during the production of War and Remembrance with Dan Curtis; in London at Pinewood Studios with George Cukor; autographed photo of George Cukor; with Laurence Olivier; with Katharine Hepburn; with Katharine Hepburn and George Cukor

    03:21

    Day After, The

    Herb Jellinek on The Day After

    05:02

    Eleanor and Franklin

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' Eleanor and Franklin

    01:27

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' production of Eleanor and Franklin and art director Jan Scott

    02:57

    Emmy Awards, The (Primetime and Daytime)

    Herb Jellinek on ABC getting the Emmy Awards for three years starting in 1993, and on the "wheel" agreement

    02:31

    Ike: The War Years

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' production of Ike: The War Years

    02:20

    Lawrence Welk Show, The

    Herb Jellinek on The Lawrence Welk Show, and on the different formats shows were shot in

    02:01

    Love Among the Ruins

    Herb Jellinek on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    08:38

    Moonlighting

    Herb Jellinek on Moonlighting, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis

    02:52

    Soap

    Herb Jellinek on Soap

    03:08

    War and Remembrance

    Herb Jellinek on War and Remembrance, starring Robert Mitchum

    15:26

    Herb Jellinek on Jane Seymour in War and Remembrance and other members of the cast and crew

    02:29

    Cold War

    Herb Jellinek on The Day After

    05:02

    Emmy Awards

    Herb Jellinek on ABC getting the Emmy Awards for three years starting in 1993, and on the "wheel" agreement

    02:31

    Herb Jellinek on adding an Emmy category for commercials, and on the Television Academy's relationship with the National Academy

    02:40

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Herb Jellinek on The Day After

    05:02

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Herb Jellinek on ABC's coverage of the Senator Joseph McCarthy hearings

    04:34

    Industry Crossroads

    Herb Jellinek on ABC's coverage of the Senator Joseph McCarthy hearings

    04:34

    Media Consolidation

    Herb Jellinek on the sale of ABC to Capital Cities in 1985, and on his retirement from ABC

    05:42

    Herb Jellinek on Leonard H. Goldenson's role at ABC after the sale to Capital Cities

    01:52

    Television Industry

    Herb Jellinek on the dire financial state of ABC when he first arrived, and how it eventually emerged as a competitor due to Leonard H. Goldenson

    09:59

    Herb Jellinek on the financial specifics of ABC in the '50s, and the shows on the air there at the time

    03:15

    Herb Jellinek on ABC's coverage of the Senator Joseph McCarthy hearings

    04:34

    Herb Jellinek on how ABC created the business model for television networks

    02:29

    Herb Jellinek on becoming assistant director of sales service for ABC in 1958

    06:22

    Herb Jellinek on becoming cost control administer at ABC and on moving to Los Angeles

    07:07

    Herb Jellinek on organizing the budgets for ABC

    03:45

    Herb Jellinek on ITT's attempted takeover of ABC

    01:26

    Herb Jellinek on becoming head of production at ABC Circle Films and on working with Barry Diller

    03:27

    Herb Jellinek on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    08:38

    Herb Jellinek on overseeing production for ABC Motion Pictures, ABC's then-feature film division, and on the feature "Young Doctors in Love"

    05:25

    Herb Jellinek on the ABC Motion Pictures' production "Prizzi's Honor," and on their business model

    02:59

    Herb Jellinek on various ABC Motion Pictures features including "The Flamingo Kid," "Silkwood," and "Space Camp"

    01:17

    Herb Jellinek on being vice president in charge of entertainment for ABC in the 1980s

    02:46

    Herb Jellinek on the sale of ABC to Capital Cities in 1985, and on his retirement from ABC

    05:42

    Herb Jellinek on Leonard H. Goldenson's role at ABC after the sale to Capital Cities

    01:52

    Herb Jellinek on the nature of the competition between the networks during his tenure at ABC

    02:05

    War

    Herb Jellinek on The Day After

    05:02

    Executives

    Herb Jellinek on his management style and on what he enjoyed about working for ABC

    02:57

    Awards Shows

    Herb Jellinek on the Emmy Awards

    05:11

    Comedy Series

    Herb Jellinek on Soap

    02:58

    Cop/Detective/Mystery Series

    Herb Jellinek on Moonlighting, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis

    02:52

    Music Shows & Variety Shows/Specials

    Herb Jellinek on The Lawrence Welk Show, and on the different formats shows were shot in

    02:01

    TV Movies/Miniseries/Dramatic Specials

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' Eleanor and Franklin

    01:27

    Herb Jellinek on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    08:38

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' production of Eleanor and Franklin and art director Jan Scott

    02:57

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' production of Ike: The War Years

    02:17

    Herb Jellinek on The Day After

    05:02

    Herb Jellinek on War and Remembrance, starring Robert Mitchum

    15:26

    Herb Jellinek on Jane Seymour in War and Remembrance and other members of the cast and crew

    02:29

    Roone Arledge

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Roone Arledge

    00:21

    James T. Aubrey

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: James T. Aubrey

    00:16

    Barry Diller

    Herb Jellinek on becoming head of production at ABC Circle Films and on working with Barry Diller

    03:27

    Walt Disney

    Herb Jellinek on the relationship between ABC's Leonard H. Goldenson and Walt Disney

    03:43

    Michael Eisner

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Michael Eisner

    00:45

    Leonard Goldberg

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Leonard Goldberg

    00:32

    Leonard H. Goldenson

    Herb Jellinek on the dire financial state of ABC when he first arrived, and how it eventually emerged as a competitor due to Leonard H. Goldenson

    09:59

    Herb Jellinek on the relationship between ABC's Leonard H. Goldenson and Walt Disney

    03:43

    Herb Jellinek on Leonard H. Goldenson's role at ABC after the sale to Capital Cities

    01:52

    Katharine Hepburn

    Herb Jellinek on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    08:38

    Robert Mitchum

    Herb Jellinek on War and Remembrance, starring Robert Mitchum

    15:26

    Laurence Olivier

    Herb Jellinek on the vision of ABC Circle Films and on the various programming it produced including Love Among the Ruins starring Katharine Hepburn and Laurence Olivier

    08:38

    William S. Paley

    Herb Jellinek on William S. Paley

    01:58

    Elton H. Rule

    Herb Jellinek on working with ABC President Elton H. Rule, and on moving back to New York

    05:58

    Thomas W. Sarnoff

    Herb Jellinek on Thomas W. Sanroff

    01:16

    Jan Scott

    Herb Jellinek on ABC Circle Films' production of Eleanor and Franklin and art director Jan Scott

    02:57

    Jane Seymour

    Herb Jellinek on Jane Seymour in War and Remembrance and other members of the cast and crew

    02:28

    Cybill Shepherd

    Herb Jellinek on Moonlighting, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis

    02:52

    Fred Silverman

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Fred Silverman

    01:08

    Brandon Stoddard

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Brandon Stoddard

    00:30

    Oliver E. Treyz

    Herb Jellinek on various people with whom he's worked in his career: Oliver E. Treyz

    00:14

    Bruce Willis

    Herb Jellinek on Moonlighting, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis

    02:52

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