“As a writer there’s a great advantage: you’re never out of work. You can always sit down at the typewriter or computer.”

    About This Interview

    In his two-hour interview, Bernie Orenstein talks about his early life in Canada and moving to New York City to write for Candid Camera. He discusses writing for The Hollywood Palace and the first project he worked on with his writing/producing partner Saul Turteltaub: the pilot of The Pat Boone Show. Orenstein then details the shows that he and Turteltaub wrote and produced: That Girl, The New Dick Van Dyke Show, and The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show before discussing Sanford and Son, which he and Turteltaub wrote and produced from 1974 to 1977. He goes on to talk about creating What’s Happening!! and his and Turteltaub’s later work, producing and consulting on Kate & Allie and Cosby. He concludes by giving advice to aspiring writers and producers, discussing his connection with the Writers Guild, and sharing how he would like to be remembered. Adrienne Faillace conducted the interview in a joint venture with the Writers Guild Foundation on June 2, 2016 in New York, NY.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his childhood and early influences; on moving to the United States from Canada and writing for Candid Camera and The Les Crane Show

    12:06

    On writing for The Hollywood Palace; on writing the pilot of The Pat Boone Show with Saul Turteltaub

    05:08

    On producing That Girl with Saul Turteltaub; on producing The New Dick Van Dyke Show

    22:54

    On writing for The Monkees; on producing The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show

    07:30

    On producing Sanford and Son with Saul Turteltaub; on specific Sanford and Son episodes; on the popularity of the show and its legacy

    16:42

    Chapter 2

    On forming Toy Productions and creating What's Happening!!; on One of the Boys

    14:32

    On creating E/R; on Kate & Allie and Cosby; on Chicken Soup starring Jackie Mason

    17:29

    On his decision to leave American television; on teaching writing and the history of television; on his opinion of then-current television

    09:55

    On his writing process; on the Writers Guild

    05:55

    On his admiration for his writing/producing partner Saul Turteltaub; on advice to aspiring writers and producers; on how he would like to be remembered

    08:42

    Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show, The

    Bernie Orenstein on producing The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show with Saul Turteltaub

    04:38

    Candid Camera

    Bernie Orenstein on his first writing job in the United States, on Candid Camera, and being paired up with Joan Rivers, who was also on the writing staff

    01:22

    Cosby

    Bernie Orenstein on consulting on Cosby

    03:27

    Bernie Orenstein on Cosby being the last American television show he worked on

    01:11

    E/R

    Bernie Orenstein on creating E/R

    02:10

    Foley Square

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Foley Square with Saul Turteltaub, which was created by Diane English

    01:22

    Hey Landlord!

    Bernie Orenstein on writing Hey Landlord! with Saul Turteltaub and the contributions of Garry Marshall

    00:53

    Hollywood Palace, The

    Bernie Orenstein on getting a job writing on The Hollywood Palace after The Les Crane Show was cancelled

    02:43

    Kate & Allie

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub deciding that Marlo Thomas' That Girl character should get married, and his regrets over this because it led to the end of the show and how this same thing happened later on when they produced Kate & Allie

    01:22

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Kate & Allie, and his regret over having the character of "Allie" get married, which led to the demise of the series

    01:14

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Susan Saint James on Kate & Allie

    00:51

    Bernie Orenstein on working with writers and directors on Kate & Allie

    01:05

    Les Crane Show, The

    Bernie Orenstein on writing for The Les Crane Show

    02:15

    Monkees, The

    Bernie Orenstein on writing for The Monkees

    02:51

    New Dick Van Dyke Show, The

    Bernie Orenstein on producing The New Dick Van Dyke Show with Saul Turteltaub

    04:40

    Pat Boone Show, The

    Bernie Orenstein on writing the pilot for The Pat Boone Show with Saul Turteltaub

    01:30

    Sanford and Son

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Sanford and Son with Saul Turteltaub and working with Redd Foxx

    03:51

    Bernie Orenstein on hiring writers on Sanford and Son and working with the cast

    01:50

    Bernie Orenstein on the dynamic between Redd Foxx and Demond Wilson as "Fred Sanford" and "Lamont Sanford" on Sanford and Son

    03:05

    Bernie Orenstein on issues with Standards and Practices on Sanford and Son

    00:43

    Bernie Orenstein on the Sanford and Son episodes, "Steinberg and Son" and "Fred Meets Redd" and working with Redd Foxx

    04:15

    Bernie Orenstein on why he thinks Sanford and Son was so successful (his answer: Redd Foxx) and Foxx's input on the show's scripts

    00:58

    Bernie Orenstein on why Sanford and Son ended

    00:47

    Bernie Orenstein on the legacy of Sanford and Son

    01:02

    That Girl

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub becoming the producers of That Girl

    01:00

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub's responsibilities as producers of That Girl and what they looked for in staff writers

    03:43

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub deciding that Marlo Thomas' That Girl character should get married, and his regrets over this because it led to the end of the show and how this same thing happened later on when they produced Kate & Allie

    01:22

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Marlo Thomas on That Girl

    02:55

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Ted Bessell on That Girl and another story about Bessell

    03:20

    Bernie Orenstein on the lack of network interference on That Girl and the show's theme song

    01:32

    Bernie Orenstein on the legacy of That Girl: representing feminism on television

    02:44

    What's Happening!!

    Bernie Orenstein on creating What's Happening!! with Saul Turteltaub, which was based on the film "Cooley High"

    02:06

    Bernie Orenstein on casting What's Happening!!

    02:24

    Bernie Orenstein on Mabel King leaving What's Happening!!, and issues he and co-creator Saul Turteltaub had with her and other cast members on the show

    02:07

    Bernie Orenstein on the end of What's Happening!! and trouble with the writer of the screenplay of "Cooley High" (the movie upon which the show was based)

    03:21

    Advice

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring writers

    00:26

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring producers

    00:44

    Censorship / Standards & Practices

    Bernie Orenstein on issues with Standards and Practices on Sanford and Son

    00:43

    First Big Break

    Bernie Orenstein on how he got his start in show business: he dropped out of college after appearing in a University of Toronto show called "The All Varsity Revue"

    01:06

    Bernie Orenstein on how his first writing job on a Canadian variety show produced by Norman Jewison led to his moving to New York City and writing for Candid Camera

    02:31

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Bernie Orenstein on how he got his start in show business: he dropped out of college after appearing in a University of Toronto show called "The All Varsity Revue"

    01:06

    Bernie Orenstein on how his first writing job on a Canadian variety show produced by Norman Jewison led to his moving to New York City and writing for Candid Camera

    02:31

    Representation on Television

    Bernie Orenstein on the legacy of That Girl: representing feminism on television

    02:14

    Bernie Orenstein on lectures he gives on the influence of African Americans in television

    02:09

    Television Industry

    Bernie Orenstein on issues with Standards and Practices on Sanford and Son

    00:43

    Bernie Orenstein on his opinion of then-current television

    03:51

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring writers

    00:26

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring producers

    00:44

    Underrepresented Voices

    Bernie Orenstein on lectures he gives on the influence of African Americans in television

    02:09

    Women

    Bernie Orenstein on the legacy of That Girl: representing feminism on television

    02:14

    Editor

    Bernie Orenstein on editing his television shows over the years

    01:11

    Post-Production Professionals

    Bernie Orenstein on editing his television shows over the years

    01:11

    Producers

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub's responsibilities as producers of That Girl and what they looked for in staff writers

    03:43

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring producers

    00:44

    Writers

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub's responsibilities as producers of That Girl and what they looked for in staff writers

    03:43

    Bernie Orenstein on collaborating with his writing/producing partner Saul Turteltaub

    00:54

    Bernie Orenstein on his writing process when writing a novel or play

    01:50

    Bernie Orenstein on the process of writing for television

    02:10

    Bernie Orenstein on the process of writing for television

    02:10

    Bernie Orenstein on his writing process when writing a novel or play

    01:50

    Bernie Orenstein on advice for aspiring writers

    00:26

    Comedy Series

    Bernie Orenstein on his first writing job in the United States, on Candid Camera and being paired up with Joan Rivers, who was also on the writing staff

    01:22

    Bernie Orenstein on writing Hey Landlord! with Saul Turteltaub and the contributions of Garry Marshall

    00:53

    Bernie Orenstein on producing That Girl with Saul Turteltaub

    17:22

    Bernie Orenstein on producing The New Dick Van Dyke Show with Saul Turteltaub

    04:40

    Bernie Orenstein on writing for The Monkees

    02:51

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Sanford and Son with Saul Turteltaub

    16:38

    Bernie Orenstein on creating What's Happening!! with Saul Turteltaub

    10:05

    Bernie Orenstein on creating E/R

    02:10

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Foley Square with Saul Turteltaub, which was created by Diane English

    01:22

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Kate & Allie

    05:02

    Bernie Orenstein on consulting on Cosby

    03:27

    Bernie Orenstein on Cosby being the last American television show he worked on

    01:11

    Bernie Orenstein on other shows he and Saul Turteltaub created: Condo, This Week in Nemtin, A Touch of Grace, and The Super Comedy Bowl

    03:11

    Late Night

    Bernie Orenstein on writing for The Les Crane Show

    02:15

    Music Shows & Variety Shows/Specials

    Bernie Orenstein on getting a job writing on The Hollywood Palace after The Les Crane Show was cancelled

    02:43

    Bernie Orenstein on producing The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show with Saul Turteltaub

    04:38

    Reality TV

    Bernie Orenstein on his first writing job in the United States, on Candid Camera and being paired up with Joan Rivers, who was also on the writing staff

    01:22

    Talk Shows

    Bernie Orenstein on writing the pilot for The Pat Boone Show with Saul Turteltaub

    01:30

    Ted Bessell

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Ted Bessell on That Girl and another story about Bessell

    03:20

    Marcy Carsey

    Bernie Orenstein on working with producers Marcy Carsey and Tom Werner on Chicken Soup, starring Jackie Mason

    03:58

    Dana Carvey

    Bernie Orenstein on One of the Boys, starring Mickey Rooney, Nathan Lane, and Dana Carvey

    04:01

    Bing Crosby

    Bernie Orenstein on writing a song for Bing Crosby when he appeared on The Hollywood Palace

    01:17

    Phyllis Diller

    Bernie Orenstein on producing The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show with Saul Turteltaub and working with Phyllis Diller

    00:59

    Diane English

    Bernie Orenstein on producing Foley Square, which was created by Diane English

    01:22

    Redd Foxx

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub being hired to produce Sanford and Son by Norman Lear, and Redd Foxx almost dropping out of the show before they started

    02:33

    Bernie Orenstein on how much he and Saul Turteltaub enjoyed working with Redd Foxx on Sanford and Son, and how Foxx protected them when people criticized them for being white writers on an African American show

    01:16

    Bernie Orenstein on the dynamic between Redd Foxx and Demond Wilson as "Fred Sanford" and "Lamont Sanford" on Sanford and Son

    03:04

    Bernie Orenstein on why he thinks Sanford and Son was so successful (his answer: Redd Foxx) and Foxx's input on the show's scripts

    00:58

    Allen Funt

    Bernie Orenstein on his first writing job in the United States, on Candid Camera and being paired up with Joan Rivers, who was also on the writing staff and who was eventually fired by Allen Funt

    00:58

    Susan Saint James

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Susan Saint James on Kate & Allie

    00:51

    Norman Jewison

    Bernie Orenstein on his first television writing job, which was on an early Canadian variety show produced by Norman Jewison called The Barris Beat

    01:21

    Hope Lange

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Hope Lange on The New Dick Van Dyke Show and meeting her then-boyfriend, Frank Sinatra

    01:14

    Norman Lear

    Bernie Orenstein on he and Saul Turteltaub being hired to produce Sanford and Son by Norman Lear, and Redd Foxx almost dropping out of the show before they started

    02:33

    Garry Marshall

    Bernie Orenstein on writing Hey Landlord! with Saul Turteltaub and the contributions of Garry Marshall

    00:53

    Jackie Mason with Emerson College

    Bernie Orenstein on working with producers Marcy Carsey and Tom Werner on Chicken Soup, starring Jackie Mason

    03:58

    Lorne Michaels

    Bernie Orenstein on hiring Lorne Michaels as a writer on The Beautiful Phyllis Diller Show

    02:33

    Bill Persky

    Bernie Orenstein on Jane Curtain and Susan Saint James missing Bill Persky, who had helmed Kate & Allie before Orenstein and Saul Turteltaub came on

    00:34

    Carl Reiner

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Carl Reiner on The New Dick Van Dyke Show

    01:45

    Joan Rivers

    Bernie Orenstein on his first writing job in the United States, on Candid Camera and being paired up with Joan Rivers, who was also on the writing staff and who was eventually fired by Allen Funt

    00:58

    Mickey Rooney

    Bernie Orenstein on One of the Boys, starring Mickey Rooney, Nathan Lane, and Dana Carvey

    04:01

    Garry Shandling

    Bernie Orenstein on Garry Shandling writing for Sanford and Son

    00:25

    Frank Sinatra

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Hope Lange on The New Dick Van Dyke Show and meeting her then-boyfriend, Frank Sinatra

    01:14

    Marlo Thomas

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Marlo Thomas on That Girl, and his discomfort at the time with having a woman as his boss (a feeling which he now regrets)

    02:55

    Saul Turteltaub

    Bernie Orenstein on writing the pilot for The Pat Boone Show with Saul Turteltaub and writing sitcom pilots together at night

    01:30

    Bernie Orenstein on writing Hey Landlord! with Saul Turteltaub and the contributions of Garry Marshall

    00:53

    Bernie Orenstein on collaborating with his writing/producing partner Saul Turteltaub

    00:55

    Bernie Orenstein on his admiration for his writing/producing partner Saul Turteltaub

    00:45

    Dick Van Dyke

    Bernie Orenstein on working with Dick Van Dyke on The New Dick Van Dyke Show

    01:28

    Tom Werner

    Bernie Orenstein on working with producers Marcy Carsey and Tom Werner on Chicken Soup, starring Jackie Mason

    03:58

    Demond Wilson

    Bernie Orenstein on the dynamic between Redd Foxx and Demond Wilson as "Fred Sanford" and "Lamont Sanford" on Sanford and Son

    03:04

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