About
"It's harder to be a good casting director now because the world is so much bigger. I used to have this simple advice which was to watch a lot of television, watch a lot of movies, start making lists, and every time you see somebody that you like, write their name down. Keep lists, keep cards, do all that. I don't know if it's possible anymore, but I think it's really what it's about -- seeing as many people as you can."
In her three-and-a-half-hour interview, Ethel Winant (1922-2003) discusses her background in theater and how she got her start in television as a volunteer for Studio One, produced by Worthington Minor. Winant talks about her shift into casting and her job with David Susskind's Talent Associates. She speaks about her experience as one of the first, high-ranking female executives in television, working for CBS and NBC. Winant's fondest memories in television focus on her work as a casting director for Playhouse 90, and the talented people she worked with: John Houseman, John Frankenheimer, Martin Manulis, Fred Coe, and Hubbell Robinson. Additionally, she talks about casting ensemble shows like The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Sunny Parich conducted the interview on August 7, 1996 in Beverly Hills, CA.
Highlights

Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses"

Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director

Ethel Winant on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman

Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley

Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show

Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors
Full Interview
Chapter 1
On her early life and influences; on her college years and working at the Pasadena Playhouse; on her early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse; on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair
On her experience during World War II; on moving to New York City in 1945 and on the cultural and artistic scene in Manhattan at that time; on working with Tennessee Williams as an agent's assistant
On working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One
Chapter 2
On going to work for David Susskind at Talent Associates; on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre; on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s and on the kind of talent that was drawn to the classic anthology series of the era
On casting Playhouse 90; on casting various Playhouse 90 productions, including "Days of Wine and Roses"; on the importance of casting and on the different types of casting
Chapter 3
On the craft of casting for television; on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting; on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"
On the differences between a casting director and a talent scout; on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show; on casting Perry Mason
On helping to cast All in the Family and other shows for CBS; on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre
Chapter 4
On dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director; on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"
On Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship
On being named Vice President of Talent and Casting at CBS; on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman
Chapter 5
On being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley; on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career; on the then-current state of television
On producing The Great Adventure; on becoming Vice President of Movies and Miniseries at NBC in 1975 and later going to work for Metromedia; on producing made-for-television movies and miniseries and on not wanting to work on feature films; on career highlights
Chapter 6
On various accolades she's received; on career regrets; on the Golden Age of Television and what represents the best of television; on advice to aspiring casting directors
On her personal qualities and what she might have done without television; on how she'd like to be remembered; on various people with whom she has worked in her career
Chapter 7
On various people she's worked with in her career
On B-roll clips from her career: Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward on the set of Playhouse 90; Jack Lemmon and cast on the set of Playhouse 90; with the staff of Playhouse 90; Buster Keaton and cast on the set of Playhouse 90; Cliff Robertson and Piper Laurie on the set of Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses"; cast photo of The Mary Tyler Moore Show; with her best friend in high school; on the set of Andersonville with John Frankenheimer; a script for Shogun; John Houseman
Shows
All in the Family
Ethel Winant on helping to cast for All in the Family and other shows for CBS
Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre
Mary Tyler Moore Show, The
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show
Perry Mason (1957-66)
Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr
Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse
Ethel Winant on the kind of talent that was drawn to shows like Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse
Playhouse 90
Ethel Winant on casting Playhouse 90
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses": Cliff Robertson
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Last Clear Chance" starring Paul Muni
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape
Ethel Winant on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"
Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"
Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship
Playhouse 90: "Days of Wine and Roses"
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses"
Playhouse 90: "The Death of Manolete"
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"
Ethel Winant on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"
Playhouse 90: "The Old Man"
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape
Studio One
Ethel Winant on working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One
United States Steel Hour, The
Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"
Topics
1939-40 World's Fair
Ethel Winant on early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse and on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair
Advice
Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors
Censorship / Standards & Practices
Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship
Creative Influences and Inspiration
Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career
Historic Events and Social Change
Ethel Winant on early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse and on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair
Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II
Hollywood Blacklist
Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director
Industry Crossroads
Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director
Pivotal Career Moments
Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career
Representation on Television
Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s
Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"
Ethel Winant on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman
Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley
Technological Innovation
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape
Television Industry
Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director
Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship
Ethel Winant on the then-current state of television
Ethel Winant on the then-future of television
Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors
TV's Golden Age (1940s & '50s)
Ethel Winant on the Golden Age of Television and what represents the best of television
Underrepresented Voices
Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s
Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"
War
Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II
Women
Ethel Winant on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman
Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley
World War II
Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II
Professions
Casting Director
Ethel Winant on the importance of casting and on the different types of casting
Ethel Winant on the craft of casting for television
Ethel Winant on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting
Ethel Winant on the differences between a casting director and a talent scout
Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors
Talent Professionals
Ethel Winant on the craft of casting for television
Ethel Winant on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting
Ethel Winant on the differences between a casting director and a talent scout
Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors
Genres
Classic Anthology Series
Ethel Winant on working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One
Ethel Winant on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre
Ethel Winant on the kind of talent that was drawn to shows like Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse
Ethel Winant on casting Playhouse 90
Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship
Comedy Series
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show
Drama Series
Ethel Winant on producing The Great Adventure
Legal Dramas
Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr
People
Edward Asner
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Edward Asner
Raymond Burr
Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr
Ethel Winant on Raymond Burr
Fred Coe
Ethel Winant on Fred Coe and John Frankenheimer
John Frankenheimer
Ethel Winant on Fred Coe and John Frankenheimer
Valerie Harper
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Valerie Harper
George Roy Hill
Ethel Winant on George Roy Hill
John Houseman
Ethel Winant on John Houseman
Ted Knight
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Ted Knight
Cloris Leachman
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Cloris Leachman
Gavin MacLeod
Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Gavin MacLeod
Martin Manulis
Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis
Mary Tyler Moore
Ethel Winant on David Susskind and Mary Tyler Moore
Ralph Nelson
Ethel Winant on Frank Stanton and Ralph Nelson
William S. Paley
Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley
Ethel Winant on Hubbell Robinson and William S. Paley
Arthur Penn
Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis
Rob Reiner
Ethel Winant on helping to cast for All in the Family and other shows for CBS: Rob Reiner
Cliff Robertson
Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses": Cliff Robertson
Hubbell Robinson
Ethel Winant on Hubbell Robinson and William S. Paley
Franklin J. Schaffner
Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis
Rod Serling
Ethel Winant on Fred Silverman and Rod Serling
Fred Silverman
Ethel Winant on Fred Silverman and Rod Serling
Frank Stanton
Ethel Winant on Frank Stanton and Ralph Nelson
David Susskind
Ethel Winant on going to work for David Susskind at Talent Associates
Ethel Winant on David Susskind and Mary Tyler Moore
Grant Tinker
Ethel Winant on Grant Tinker and Leonard Goldenson
Tennessee Williams
Ethel Winant on working with Tennessee Williams as an agent's assistant
Audrey Wood
Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career