"It's harder to be a good casting director now because the world is so much bigger. I used to have this simple advice which was to watch a lot of television, watch a lot of movies, start making lists, and every time you see somebody that you like, write their name down. Keep lists, keep cards, do all that. I don't know if it's possible anymore, but I think it's really what it's about -- seeing as many people as you can."

    About This Interview

    In her three-and-a-half-hour interview, Ethel Winant (1922-2003) discusses her background in theater and how she got her start in television as a volunteer for Studio One, produced by Worthington Minor. Winant talks about her shift into casting and her job with David Susskind's Talent Associates. She speaks about her experience as one of the first, high-ranking female executives in television, working for CBS and NBC. Winant's fondest memories in television focus on her work as a casting director for Playhouse 90, and the talented people she worked with: John Houseman, John Frankenheimer, Martin Manulis, Fred Coe, and Hubbell Robinson. Additionally, she talks about casting ensemble shows like The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Sunny Parich conducted the interview on August 7, 1996 in Beverly Hills, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On her early life and influences; on her college years and working at the Pasadena Playhouse; on her early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse; on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair

    11:23

    On her experience during World War II; on moving to New York City in 1945 and on the cultural and artistic scene in Manhattan at that time; on working with Tennessee Williams as an agent's assistant

    08:51

    On working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One

    07:15

    Chapter 2

    On going to work for David Susskind at Talent Associates; on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre; on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s and on the kind of talent that was drawn to the classic anthology series of the era

    12:45

    On casting Playhouse 90; on casting various Playhouse 90 productions, including "Days of Wine and Roses"; on the importance of casting and on the different types of casting

    17:31

    Chapter 3

    On the craft of casting for television; on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting; on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"

    10:21

    On the differences between a casting director and a talent scout; on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show; on casting Perry Mason

    09:47

    On helping to cast All in the Family and other shows for CBS; on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre

    04:38

    Chapter 4

    On dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director; on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"

    11:01

    On Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship

    09:49

    On being named Vice President of Talent and Casting at CBS; on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman

    08:30

    Chapter 5

    On being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley; on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career; on the then-current state of television

    15:24

    On producing The Great Adventure; on becoming Vice President of Movies and Miniseries at NBC in 1975 and later going to work for Metromedia; on producing made-for-television movies and miniseries and on not wanting to work on feature films; on career highlights

    14:57

    Chapter 6

    On various accolades she's received; on career regrets; on the Golden Age of Television and what represents the best of television; on advice to aspiring casting directors

    13:29

    On her personal qualities and what she might have done without television; on how she'd like to be remembered; on various people with whom she has worked in her career

    15:39

    Chapter 7

    On various people she's worked with in her career

    07:11

    On B-roll clips from her career: Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward on the set of Playhouse 90; Jack Lemmon and cast on the set of Playhouse 90; with the staff of Playhouse 90; Buster Keaton and cast on the set of Playhouse 90; Cliff Robertson and Piper Laurie on the set of Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses"; cast photo of The Mary Tyler Moore Show; with her best friend in high school; on the set of Andersonville with John Frankenheimer; a script for Shogun; John Houseman

    22:38

    All in the Family

    Ethel Winant on helping to cast for All in the Family and other shows for CBS

    02:46

    Armstrong Circle Theatre

    Ethel Winant on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre

    02:11

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre

    37:07

    Mary Tyler Moore Show, The

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show

    04:45

    Perry Mason (1957-66)

    Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr

    03:03

    Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse

    Ethel Winant on the kind of talent that was drawn to shows like Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse

    04:51

    Playhouse 90

    Ethel Winant on casting Playhouse 90

    04:22

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses": Cliff Robertson

    01:07

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"

    01:43

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Last Clear Chance" starring Paul Muni

    03:25

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape

    01:38

    Ethel Winant on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"

    01:18

    Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"

    04:51

    Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship

    09:49

    Playhouse 90: "Days of Wine and Roses"

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses"

    01:07

    Playhouse 90: "The Death of Manolete"

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"

    01:44

    Ethel Winant on casting Suzy Parker in Playhouse 90's production of "The Death of Manolete"

    01:18

    Playhouse 90: "The Old Man"

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape

    01:38

    Studio One

    Ethel Winant on working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One

    07:15

    United States Steel Hour, The

    Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"

    04:51

    1939-40 World's Fair

    Ethel Winant on early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse and on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair

    02:56

    Advice

    Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors

    02:06

    Censorship / Standards & Practices

    Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship

    09:49

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career

    06:59

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Ethel Winant on early involvement in television via the Pasadena Playhouse and on seeing television at the 1939 World's Fair

    02:56

    Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II

    03:41

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s

    02:08

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre

    01:54

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director

    00:00

    Industry Crossroads

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s

    02:08

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre

    01:54

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director

    06:10

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career

    06:59

    Representation on Television

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s

    02:08

    Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"

    04:51

    Ethel Winant on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman

    01:26

    Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley

    05:58

    Technological Innovation

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "The Old Man" -- the first production on television to utilize edited video tape

    01:38

    Television Industry

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s

    02:08

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist on shows like Armstrong Circle Theatre

    01:54

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the Hollywood Blacklist as a casting director

    06:10

    Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship

    09:49

    Ethel Winant on the then-current state of television

    02:25

    Ethel Winant on the then-future of television

    03:51

    Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors

    02:06

    TV's Golden Age (1940s & '50s)

    Ethel Winant on the Golden Age of Television and what represents the best of television

    05:40

    Underrepresented Voices

    Ethel Winant on dealing with the network on casting blacklisted actors and minorities on television in the '50s

    02:08

    Ethel Winant on difficulties she encountered in casting minority actors for shows like Playhouse 90 and The United States Steel Hour's production of "Doomsday at Noon"

    04:51

    War

    Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II

    03:41

    Women

    Ethel Winant on rising up through the ranks at CBS as a woman

    01:26

    Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley

    05:58

    World War II

    Ethel Winant on her experience during World War II

    03:41

    Casting Director

    Ethel Winant on the importance of casting and on the different types of casting

    05:13

    Ethel Winant on the craft of casting for television

    00:00

    Ethel Winant on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting

    04:26

    Ethel Winant on the differences between a casting director and a talent scout

    01:53

    Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors

    02:06

    Talent Professionals

    Ethel Winant on the craft of casting for television

    04:35

    Ethel Winant on learning how to cast for television and on dealing with directors and producers when casting

    04:26

    Ethel Winant on the differences between a casting director and a talent scout

    01:53

    Ethel Winant on advice to aspiring casting directors

    02:06

    Classic Anthology Series

    Ethel Winant on working in the Broadway theater and getting involved with casting for television via Studio One

    07:05

    Ethel Winant on the first television show she cast, Justice, and on casting Armstrong Circle Theatre

    02:11

    Ethel Winant on the kind of talent that was drawn to shows like Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse

    04:51

    Ethel Winant on casting Playhouse 90

    12:17

    Ethel Winant on Playhouse 90's productions of "Portrait of a Murderer" and "Judgement at Nuremberg", and on network and sponsor censorship

    09:49

    Comedy Series

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show

    04:45

    Drama Series

    Ethel Winant on producing The Great Adventure

    03:17

    Legal Dramas

    Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr

    03:03

    Edward Asner

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Edward Asner

    04:45

    Raymond Burr

    Ethel Winant on casting Perry Mason: Raymond Burr

    03:03

    Ethel Winant on Raymond Burr

    01:04

    Fred Coe

    Ethel Winant on Fred Coe and John Frankenheimer

    01:32

    John Frankenheimer

    Ethel Winant on Fred Coe and John Frankenheimer

    01:33

    Valerie Harper

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Valerie Harper

    04:45

    George Roy Hill

    Ethel Winant on George Roy Hill

    01:46

    John Houseman

    Ethel Winant on John Houseman

    02:29

    Ted Knight

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Ted Knight

    04:45

    Cloris Leachman

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Cloris Leachman

    04:45

    Gavin MacLeod

    Ethel Winant on casting The Mary Tyler Moore Show: Gavin MacLeod

    04:45

    Martin Manulis

    Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis

    01:34

    Mary Tyler Moore

    Ethel Winant on David Susskind and Mary Tyler Moore

    02:00

    Ralph Nelson

    Ethel Winant on Frank Stanton and Ralph Nelson

    02:31

    William S. Paley

    Ethel Winant on being the first female executive at CBS and dealing with other executives like William S. Paley

    05:59

    Ethel Winant on Hubbell Robinson and William S. Paley

    01:59

    Arthur Penn

    Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis

    01:34

    Rob Reiner

    Ethel Winant on helping to cast for All in the Family and other shows for CBS: Rob Reiner

    02:46

    Cliff Robertson

    Ethel Winant on casting for Playhouse 90's production of "Days of Wine and Roses": Cliff Robertson

    01:07

    Hubbell Robinson

    Ethel Winant on Hubbell Robinson and William S. Paley

    01:57

    Franklin J. Schaffner

    Ethel Winant on Franklin J. Schaffner, Arthur Penn, and Martin Manulis

    01:34

    Rod Serling

    Ethel Winant on Fred Silverman and Rod Serling

    00:42

    Fred Silverman

    Ethel Winant on Fred Silverman and Rod Serling

    00:42

    Frank Stanton

    Ethel Winant on Frank Stanton and Ralph Nelson

    02:31

    David Susskind

    Ethel Winant on going to work for David Susskind at Talent Associates

    03:35

    Ethel Winant on David Susskind and Mary Tyler Moore

    02:00

    Grant Tinker

    Ethel Winant on Grant Tinker and Leonard Goldenson

    00:37

    Tennessee Williams

    Ethel Winant on working with Tennessee Williams as an agent's assistant

    01:57

    Audrey Wood

    Ethel Winant on her mentors, including Audrey Wood and Irene Selznick, and how she felt about her career

    06:59

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