"In the first year at ABC we lost seventy million dollars, but by the next year we started to make money. By the time we sold it we were making about four hundred million dollars. It's a high-risk business. It's a tough business. Disney made a good deal."

    About This Interview

    In his three-hour interview, Thomas Murphy (1925-2022) speaks of his early years at WROW-TV in New York. He recalls being appointed the CEO of Capital Cities, and talks of overseeing the ownership of many television stations, dozens of cable-TV systems, and later, the acquisition of the ABC network. Murphy describes the balance of business between the station owners, networks, and viewers, and the ever-changing telecommunications business. He outlines his relationships with many in the broadcasting and business community, including Rupert Murdoch, Warren Buffett, Barbara Walters, and then-ABC president John B. Sias. He concludes by talking about the acquisition of ABC by Disney in 1995 and the then-media landscape. Donald West conducted the interview on October 22, 1998 in New York, NY.

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    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities acquisition of ABC

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    Thomas Murphy on how Disney's acquisition of ABC came about

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    Thomas Murphy on his personal success in business 

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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on the luminaries he grew up around; on his early career aspirations 

    18:00

    On his time in the Navy; on becoming a salesman; on going to Harvard Business School

    09:36

    Chapter 2

    On people he attended Harvard with and working at the Kenyon & Eckhardt ad agency; on advertising in the early days of television; on the role of the advertising agency in the television business in the '50s; on leaving advertising and going to work for a local television station

    16:59

    On going to work for Capital Cities; on his early days at Capital Cities

    13:44

    Chapter 3

    On Capital Cities partner Frank Smith and acquiring television stations; on the growth of Capital Cities; on Capital Cities becoming a powerhouse 

    14:20

    On taking over as CEO of Capital Cities; on acquiring local television stations; on moving to New York

    45:33

    Chapter 4

    On Warren Buffett; on Capital Cities acquisition of ABC; on the early days of Capital Cities/ABC

    14:45

    On Capital Cities getting involved with cable; on the then-relationship between cable and broadcast outlets; on his plans for ABC when Capital Cities took over in 1986

    13:30

    Chapter 5

    On his business partner Dan Burke; on ABC President John Sias; on working with affiliates and dealing with talent at ABC

    14:09

    On the demographics of ABC and dealing with programming; on his instincts regarding programming at ABC; on how Disney's acquisition of ABC came about

    15:06

    Chapter 6

    On how the deal with Disney to take over ABC was consummated; on his personal success in business; on working with Leonard Goldenson, William S. Paley and Frank Stanton

    15:12

    On various people he's worked with in his career; on what he would do differently in his career

    13:40

    Advertising and Sponsorship

    Thomas Murphy on working at the Kenyon & Eckhardt ad agency

    03:25

    Thomas Murphy on advertising in the early days of television

    01:49

    Thomas Murphy on the role of the advertising agency in the television business in the '50s

    02:39

    Thomas Murphy on his plans for ABC when Capital Cities took over in 1986

    06:02

    Media Consolidation

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities acquisition of ABC

    07:24

    Thomas Murphy on the early days of Capital Cities/ABC

    02:23

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities getting involved with cable

    03:41

    Thomas Murphy on the then-relationship between cable and broadcast outlets

    02:20

    Thomas Murphy on how Disney's acquisition of ABC came about

    05:39

    Thomas Murphy on how the deal with Disney to take over ABC was consummated 

    06:10

    Television Industry

    Thomas Murphy on working at the Kenyon & Eckhardt ad agency

    03:25

    Thomas Murphy on advertising in the early days of television

    01:49

    Thomas Murphy on the role of the advertising agency in the television business in the '50s

    02:39

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities partner Frank Smith and acquiring television stations

    05:36

    Thomas Murphy on the growth of Capital Cities

    03:59

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities becoming a powerhouse 

    04:43

    Thomas Murphy on taking over as CEO of Capital Cities

    06:02

    Thomas Murphy on acquiring local television stations

    08:03

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities acquisition of ABC

    07:24

    Thomas Murphy on the early days of Capital Cities/ABC

    02:23

    Thomas Murphy on Capital Cities getting involved with cable

    03:41

    Thomas Murphy on being a broadcaster

    01:29

    Thomas Murphy on the then-relationship between cable and broadcast outlets

    02:20

    Thomas Murphy on his plans for ABC when Capital Cities took over in 1986

    06:02

    Thomas Murphy on ABC President John Sias

    02:58

    Thomas Murphy on various people who worked under him at ABC

    03:14

    Thomas Murphy on working with affiliates and dealing with talent at ABC

    02:58

    Thomas Murphy on the demographics of ABC and dealing with programming

    04:16

    Thomas Murphy on his instincts regarding programming at ABC

    04:00

    Thomas Murphy on how Disney's acquisition of ABC came about

    05:39

    Thomas Murphy on how the deal with Disney to take over ABC was consummated 

    06:10

    Executives

    Thomas Murphy on working with affiliates and dealing with talent at ABC

    02:58

    Thomas Murphy on the demographics of ABC dealing with programming

    04:16

    Thomas Murphy on his instincts regarding programming at ABC

    04:00

    Thomas Murphy on his personal success in business 

    02:06

    Television Executive

    Thomas Murphy on working with affiliates and dealing with talent at ABC

    02:58

    Thomas Murphy on the demographics of ABC dealing with programming

    04:16

    Thomas Murphy on his instincts regarding programming at ABC

    04:00

    Thomas Murphy on his personal success in business 

    02:06

    Commercials

    Thomas Murphy on the role of the advertising agency in the television business in the '50s

    02:39

    Thomas Murphy on advertising in the early days of television

    01:49

    Thomas Murphy on working at the Kenyon & Eckhardt ad agency

    03:25

    Steven Bochco

    Thomas Murphy on Steven Bochco

    00:47

    Michael Dann

    Thomas Murphy on Mike Dann

    00:42

    Leonard H. Goldenson

    Thomas Murphy on working with Leonard Goldenson

    03:57

    Stanley Hubbard

    Thomas Murphy on Suzanne Murphy (his wife), Stanley Hubbard, Frank Bennack, and Warren Buffet 

    07:31

    Bob Iger

    Thomas Murphy on Bob Iger

    01:10

    Rupert Murdoch

    Thomas Murphy on Rupert Murdoch

    00:48

    William S. Paley

    Thomas Murphy on William S. Paley and Frank Stanton

    00:34

    Frank Stanton

    Thomas Murphy on William S. Paley and Frank Stanton

    01:10

    Ted Turner

    Thomas Murphy on Ted Turner

    00:40

    Barbara Walters

    Thomas Murphy on Barbara Walters

    00:33

    Jack Welch

    Thomas Murphy on Jack Welch

    00:21

    Bob Wright

    Thomas Murphy on Bob Wright and Jack Welch

    00:35

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