"(Outstanding scores have) music that you can listen to over and over again and say, 'gee, I think that was a good job…' I was listening to the re-runs of 'Gunsmoke' and some of the old scores I haven't heard for 50 years.  And I'm kind of impressed by that - that was music that sounded different from most of the stuff that you were hearing on TV in those days for western films.  If I like listening to it again, then maybe it had something."

    About This Interview

    In his four-hour interview, Fred Steiner (1923-2011) talks about breaking into the business as an arranger/orchestrator in network radio in the 1940s and details some of the first radio scores he wrote for legendary producer-director Norman Corwin. He discusses his work as composer for the radio series This Is Your F.B.I., his move to Los Angeles, and his compositions for the anthology series Playhouse 90. Steiner speaks on composing the jazzy theme for Perry Mason and describes several of the episode scores he wrote for landmark series The Twilight Zone and Star Trek. Steiner reminisces about CBS West Coast music director Lud Gluskin, and explains his own studies in musicology -- including receiving a Ph.D. from USC. B-roll consists of several photos from Steiner's career conducting for radio's This Is Your F.B.I. and a shot of the scoring stage at 20th Century Fox. Karen Herman conducted the interview on June 25, 2003 in Santa Fe, NM.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on his experience of World War II, composing music for propaganda; on learning to score by watching his father score cartoons

    13:37

    On his early jobs in radio working for Van Cleave, who became a mentor; on composition teacher Norman Lockwood, who was a mentor to him

    08:01

    On the challenges on composing for radio; on some of the radio shows he scored, including "Columbia Presents Corwin" with Norman Corwin; on his earliest experiences with television

    07:35

    Chapter 2

    On composing for the radio show "Cathy and Elliott Lewis On Stage"; on composing and arraigning for early television, and how it was different from doing the same for radio; on the craft and composing and arranging for television, and tailoring the music to fit the star

    10:03

    On how he got work in the early days of television; on the process of composing for a pilot; on the Hollywood Blacklist

    11:42

    On how he started composing for feature films, and on favorites of his that he's worked on; on what makes for an outstanding score; on composing for My Favorite Husband

    08:37

    Chapter 3

    On the sound stages he's recorded on; on the logistics of a recording session for a television score; on following union regulations for musicians in recording sessions

    09:37

    On composing for Playhouse 90; on playing the music live for Playhouse 90 instead of recording it in advance; on collaborating with Playhouse 90 producer Martin Manulis and director John Frankenheimer

    12:48

    On composing for the Playhouse 90 episodes "The Comedian" and "A Sound of Different Drummers"; on the process of composing a score of a Playhouse 90 episode; on what he learned composing for Playhouse 90

    07:31

    Chapter 4

    On Lud Gluskin; on getting around the Petrillo ban on live music

    14:23

    On composing for Gunsmoke; on composing for Navy Log; on composing the theme song for Perry Mason

    16:25

    Chapter 5

    On moving to Mexico to reconnect with his family; on music he did while living in Mexico; on composing for Gerald McBoing Boing

    11:05

    On composing for The Bullwinkle Show for Jay Ward; on composing for various animated series

    07:48

    On composing for Tiny Toons in the style of the old Warner Brothers cartoons; on composing for The Twilight Zone

    10:28

    Chapter 6

    On composing for The Twilight Zone and on working for Rod Serling and producer Buck Houghton; on composing for specific episodes of The Twilight Zone

    10:43

    On composing for Star Trek; on composing for the Star Trek episode "The Corbomite Maneuver"; on composing for the Star Trek episodes "Who Mourns for Adonais?" and "Charlie X"; on composing for the Star Trek episode "Mudd's Women"

    10:19

    On composing for the Star Trek episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"; on composing for the Star Trek episode "Balance of Terror"; on composing for the Star Trek episode "Mirror Mirror"

    08:49

    Chapter 7

    On scoring specific episodes of Star Trek; on scoring the theme of Beany and Cecil; on scoring several episodes of The Andy Griffith Show

    16:24

    On scoring various made-for-television movies; on scoring several episodes of Bonanza; on scoring O'Hara, U.S. Treasury

    06:29

    On scoring several episodes of Hec Ramsey; on scoring several episodes of Hawaii Five-O; on his studies in musicology

    06:24

    Chapter 8

    On writing his dissertation on Alfred Newman, and his study of musicology; on his favorite film scores; on how the business has changed regarding scoring

    15:12

    On scoring episodes of Dynasty; on working on the feature film "The Color Purple" with Quincy Jones; on working on Death of a Salesman

    09:49

    On working on the updated Twilight Zone and Amazing Stories; on composing for Star Trek: The Next Generation; on some of his favorite feature film scores

    05:26

    Chapter 9

    On then-current projects; on the importance of television scores; on advice to an aspiring television composer

    06:03

    On b-roll pictures from his career- conducting for the radio show "This Is Your FBI"; conducting for radio; conducing London Philharmonic; conducting score for "King Kong"; conducing London Philharmonic; conducting score for "King Kong"; screening a take; conducting using a widescreen; Lud Gluskin; at home with his wife; sheet music by Alfred Newman;

    06:14

    Amazing Stories

    Fred Steiner on working on the updated Twilight Zone and Amazing Stories

    01:13

    Andy Griffith Show, The

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of The Andy Griffith Show

    02:09

    Beany and Cecil

    Fred Steiner on scoring the theme of Beany and Cecil

    00:29

    Bonanza

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Bonanza

    00:42

    Bullwinkle Show, The

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Bullwinkle Show for Jay Ward

    06:29

    Death of a Salesman

    Fred Steiner on working on Death of a Salesman

    03:23

    Dynasty

    Fred Steiner on scoring episodes of Dynasty

    01:02

    Gerald McBoing Boing

    Fred Steiner on composing for Gerald McBoing Boing

    03:58

    Gunsmoke

    Fred Steiner on composing for Gunsmoke

    03:58

    Fred Steiner on recurring themes he wrote for Gunsmoke

    01:23

    Hawaii Five-O

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Hawaii Five-O

    00:22

    Hec Ramsey

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Hec Ramsey

    03:19

    My Favorite Husband

    Fred Steiner on composing for My Favorite Husband

    04:13

    Navy Log

    Fred Steiner on composing for Navy Log

    02:29

    Perry Mason (1957-66)

    Fred Steiner on composing the theme song for Perry Mason

    08:35

    Playhouse 90

    Fred Steiner on composing for Playhouse 90

    11:40

    Fred Steiner on playing the music live for Playhouse 90 instead of recording it in advance

    01:08

    Fred Steiner on collaborating with Playhouse 90 producer Martin Manulis and director John Frankenheimer

    00:45

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Playhouse 90 episode "The Comedian"

    00:41

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Playhouse 90 episode "A Sound of Different Drummers"

    00:57

    Fred Steiner on the process of composing a score of a Playhouse 90 episode

    02:27

    Fred Steiner on what he learned composing for Playhouse 90

    02:41

    Playhouse 90: "The Comedian"

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Playhouse 90 episode "The Comedian"

    00:41

    Star Trek

    Fred Steiner on composing for Star Trek and on working with Gene Roddenberry

    03:03

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episode "The Corbomite Maneuver"

    02:28

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episodes "Who Mourns for Adonais?" and "Charlie X"

    04:00

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episode "Mudd's Women"

    00:48

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

    02:00

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episode "Balance of Terror"

    03:47

    Fred Steiner on composing for the Star Trek episode "Mirror Mirror"

    03:02

    Fred Steiner on scoring specific episodes of Star Trek

    13:46

    Star Trek: The Next Generation

    Fred Steiner on composing for Star Trek: The Next Generation

    01:03

    Twilight Zone, The

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Twilight Zone

    04:34

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Twilight Zone and on working for Rod Serling and producer Buck Houghton

    03:26

    Fred Steiner on composing for specific episode of The Twilight Zone

    07:17

    Fred Steiner on working on the updated Twilight Zone and Amazing Stories

    01:13

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    Fred Steiner on composition teacher Norman Lockwood, who was a mentor to him

    03:21

    Fred Steiner on his early jobs in radio working for Van Cleave, who became a mentor

    04:31

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Fred Steiner on his experience of World War II, composing music for propaganda

    01:01

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Fred Steiner on the Hollywood Blacklist

    07:43

    Industry Crossroads

    Fred Steiner on the Hollywood Blacklist

    07:43

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Fred Steiner on composition teacher Norman Lockwood, who was a mentor to him

    03:21

    Fred Steiner on his early jobs in radio working for Van Cleave, who became a mentor

    04:31

    Pop Culture

    Fred Steiner on composing the theme song for Perry Mason

    08:35

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Bullwinkle Show for Jay Ward

    06:29

    Television Industry

    Fred Steiner on the Hollywood Blacklist

    07:43

    Fred Steiner on how the business has changed regarding scoring

    02:26

    TV Theme Songs

    Fred Steiner on composing the theme song for Perry Mason

    08:35

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Bullwinkle Show for Jay Ward

    06:29

    War

    Fred Steiner on his experience of World War II, composing music for propaganda

    01:01

    World War II

    Fred Steiner on his experience of World War II, composing music for propaganda

    01:01

    Composer

    Fred Steiner on learning to score by watching his father score cartoons

    02:40

    Fred Steiner on the craft and composing and arranging for television, and tailoring the music to fit the star

    04:51

    Fred Steiner on the process of composing for a pilot

    02:06

    Fred Steiner on what makes for an outstanding score

    01:06

    Fred Steiner on on the sound stages he's recorded on

    05:35

    Fred Steiner on the logistics of a recording session for a television score

    03:01

    Fred Steiner on following union regulations for musicians in recording sessions

    01:01

    Fred Steiner on his studies in musicology

    02:43

    Fred Steiner on writing his dissertation on Alfred Newman, and his study of musicology

    10:18

    Fred Steiner on advice to an aspiring television composer

    01:45

    Music Professionals

    Fred Steiner on learning to score by watching his father score cartoons

    02:40

    Fred Steiner on the craft and composing and arranging for television, and tailoring the music to fit the star

    04:51

    Fred Steiner on the process of composing for a pilot

    02:06

    Fred Steiner on what makes for an outstanding score

    01:06

    Fred Steiner on on the sound stages he's recorded on

    05:35

    Fred Steiner on the logistics of a recording session for a television score

    03:01

    Fred Steiner on following union regulations for musicians in recording sessions

    01:01

    Fred Steiner on his studies in musicology

    02:43

    Fred Steiner on writing his dissertation on Alfred Newman, and his study of musicology

    10:18

    Fred Steiner on advice to an aspiring television composer

    01:45

    Adventure/Espionage Series

    Fred Steiner on composing for Navy Log

    02:29

    Animation

    Fred Steiner on composing for various animated series

    01:19

    Children's Programming

    Fred Steiner on scoring the theme of Beany and Cecil

    00:29

    Classic Anthology Series

    Fred Steiner on composing for Playhouse 90

    20:19

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Twilight Zone

    10:43

    Fred Steiner on working on the updated Twilight Zone and Amazing Stories

    01:13

    Comedy Series

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of The Andy Griffith Show

    02:09

    Cop/Detective/Mystery Series

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Hawaii Five-O

    00:22

    Daytime/Primetime Serials

    Fred Steiner on scoring episodes of Dynasty

    01:02

    Legal Dramas

    Fred Steiner on composing the theme song for Perry Mason

    08:35

    Sci-Fi/Supernatural Series

    Fred Steiner on composing for Star Trek

    19:08

    Fred Steiner on scoring specific episodes of Star Trek

    13:46

    Fred Steiner on composing for Star Trek: The Next Generation

    01:03

    TV Movies/Miniseries/Dramatic Specials

    Fred Steiner on working on Death of a Salesman

    03:23

    Western Series

    Fred Steiner on composing for Gunsmoke

    05:21

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Bonanza

    00:42

    Fred Steiner on scoring several episodes of Hec Ramsey

    03:19

    Fred Steiner on scoring O'Hara, U.S. Treasury

    02:00

    Van Cleave

    Fred Steiner on his early jobs in radio working for Van Cleave, who became a mentor

    04:31

    John Frankenheimer

    Fred Steiner on collaborating with Playhouse 90 producer Martin Manulis and director John Frankenheimer

    00:45

    Lud Gluskin

    Fred Steiner on Lud Gluskin

    08:12

    Fred Steiner on Lud Gluskin's legacy at CBS

    01:21

    Buck Houghton

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Twilight Zone and on working for Rod Serling and producer Buck Houghton

    03:26

    Quincy Jones

    Fred Steiner on working on the feature film "The Color Purple" with Quincy Jones

    05:24

    Martin Manulis

    Fred Steiner on collaborating with Playhouse 90 producer Martin Manulis and director John Frankenheimer

    00:45

    Gene Roddenberry

    Fred Steiner on composing for Star Trek and on working with Gene Roddenberry

    03:03

    Rod Serling

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Twilight Zone and on working for Rod Serling and producer Buck Houghton

    03:26

    Jay Ward

    Fred Steiner on composing for The Bullwinkle Show for Jay Ward

    06:29

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