"I'd like to be remembered as one of the original pioneers. I would like to be remembered for my relationship with Kukla, Fran & Ollie, which in our day, without being bashful, I think we were one of the top shows to the American public. There have been times when I'm introduced to somebody and they say, 'He was the director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie or the director of a part of Sanford and Son.' They say, 'Really?' Yes, really. I've had a good life."

    About This Interview

    In his four-hour interview, Lewis Gomavitz (1912-2010) describes his involvement in the Chicago experimental station, W6XBK, during World War II. He recalls being hired on to the station, renamed WBKB, and serving as a stage manager until he was tapped to direct a new show starring Burr Tillstrom's puppets and Fran Allison. The show, originally called Junior Jamboree, evolved into the classic, Kukla, Fran & Ollie. Gomavitz recounts directing the show for ten years, until it went off the air. He outlines moving to Los Angeles where he directed and associate-produced various specials. He speaks of working as the prop master for Sanford and Son, and later directing several episodes of the series. He details acting as prop master for Dinah Shore's talk show Dinah!, as well as the Toni Tennille Show. Karen Herman conducted the interview on February 2, 2000 in Northridge, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Lewis Gomavitz on the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

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    Lewis Gomavitz on his early experiences in theater and on meeting Burr Tillstrom at the 1939 World's Fair

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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences

    15:14

    On his early experiences in theater and on meeting Burr Tillstrom at the 1939 World's Fair; on going to work for Billy Rose; on his experience with World War II

    13:51

    Chapter 2

    On his experiences with World War II, and on working at an experimental television station

    11:55

    On working at an experimental television station; on the kinds of cameras and other equipment used at the experimental television station he worked at

    10:52

    On the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

    05:17

    Chapter 3

    On his first meeting with Burr Tillstrom regarding Kukla, Fran & Ollie (orignally Junior Jamboree), and on the format of the show; on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison, and on the show being ad libbed; on the early reviews of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the format and sponsorship of the show

    14:42

    On his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the content of a typical episode with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison; on a typical day directing Kukla, Fran & Ollie; on working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison on the set of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    14:23

    Chapter 4

    On the personality of Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom, and on their friendship; on the death of Burr Tillstrom

    12:51

    On the puppets of Kukla, Fran & Ollie, created by Burr Tillstrom; on the personalities of the Kukla, Fran & Ollie puppets

    15:22

    Chapter 5

    On the personalities of the puppets on Kukla, Fran & Ollie; on Fran Allison on Kukla, Fran & Ollie; on Kukla, Fran & Ollie moving networks, and on the studio where the show was produced

    16:48

    On Tallulah Bankhead being a big fan of Kukla, Fran & Ollie; on Kukla, Fran & Ollie being used for tests of color broadcasts

    00:01

    Chapter 6

    On the color test episodes of Kukla, Fran & Ollie , and on Bud Yorkin being a stage manager; on Kukla, Fran & Ollie's productions of "St. George and the Dragon" and "The Mikado"; on the Kukla, Fran & Ollie theme song

    08:30

    On favorite episodes of Kukla, Fran & Ollie; on various guest stars who appeared on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    11:59

    On the end of Kukla, Fran & Ollie in 1957; on working at the 1952, 1956, and 1960 Democratic National Conventions

    07:51

    Chapter 7

    On the Hollywood Blacklist; on going to work at KNBC News in Los Angeles on getting into advertising; on working with Ernie Kovacs on The Ernie Kovacs Show

    16:43

    On going to work for North American Rockwell making instructional videos for the space program; on being in mission control during the Moon Landing

    11:43

    Chapter 8

    On becoming a prop master for Sanford and Son and on his duties in that job; on the cast of Sanford and Son including Redd Foxx; on directing episodes of Sanford and Son

    10:28

    On acting as prop master for Dinah Shore's show Dinah!; on acting as prop master on The Toni Tennille Show, and on his retirement

    09:36

    On advice to aspiring television directors; on the legacy of Bill Eddy

    08:18

    Chapter 9

    On the legacy of Bill Eddy; on how he'd like to be remembered

    09:15

    On b-roll pictures from his career- at WNBC in New York; with the cast and crew of Kukla, Fran & Ollie; Kukla, Fran & Ollie book; Burr Tillstrom and Fran Alison with the puppets "Kukla" and "Ollie"; painting that was the first color picture ever to be broadcast in the United States; Bill Eddy; the 1956 Democratic Convention; with Redd Foxx; with Loretta Lynn and Dinah Shore; with Dinah Shore

    03:21

    Dinah!

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master for Dinah Shore's show Dinah!

    06:39

    Ernie Kovacs Show, The

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Ernie Kovacs on The Ernie Kovacs Show

    06:53

    Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    Lewis Gomavitz on the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

    05:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on his first meeting with Burr Tillstrom regarding Kukla, Fran & Ollie (orignally Junior Jamboree), and on the format of the show

    05:13

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison, and on the show being ad libbed

    02:38

    Lewis Gomavitz on the early reviews of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the format and sponsorship of the show

    06:51

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the content of a typical episode with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison

    02:04

    Lewis Gomavitz on a typical day directing Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    05:08

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison on the set of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    02:06

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom

    05:03

    Lewis Gomavitz on the personality of Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom, and on their friendship

    08:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on the puppets of Kukla, Fran & Ollie, created by Burr Tillstrom

    09:50

    Lewis Gomavitz on the personalities of the Kukla, Fran & Ollie puppets

    05:44

    Lewis Gomavitz on the personalities of the puppets on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    06:58

    Lewis Gomavitz on Fran Allison on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    06:07

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie moving networks, and on the studio where the show was produced

    03:43

    Lewis Gomavitz on Tallulah Bankhead being a big fan of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    07:34

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie being used for tests of color broadcasts

    03:32

    Lewis Gomavitz on the color test episodes of Kukla, Fran & Ollie , and on Bud Yorkin being a stage manager

    02:34

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie's productions of "St. George and the Dragon" and "The Mikado"

    04:13

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Kukla, Fran & Ollie theme song

    01:44

    Lewis Gomavitz on favorite episodes of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:37

    Lewis Gomavitz on June Lockhart appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:51

    Lewis Gomavitz on Raymond Scott and Dorothy Collins appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:11

    Lewis Gomavitz on Studs Terkel appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:52

    Lewis Gomavitz on Marlin Perkins appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    05:27

    Lewis Gomavitz on the end of Kukla, Fran & Ollie in 1957

    03:55

    Sanford and Son

    Lewis Gomavitz on becoming a prop master for Sanford and Son

    05:01

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as prop master on Sanford and Son

    01:38

    Lewis Gomavitz on the cast of Sanford and Son including Redd Foxx

    01:28

    Lewis Gomavitz on directing episodes of Sanford and Son

    02:22

    1939-40 World's Fair

    Lewis Gomavitz on his early experiences in theater and on meeting Burr Tillstrom at the 1939 World's Fair

    06:30

    Advertising and Sponsorship

    Lewis Gomavitz on getting into advertising

    02:35

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Lewis Gomavitz on his early experiences in theater and on meeting Burr Tillstrom at the 1939 World's Fair

    06:30

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experience with World War II

    03:56

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experiences with World War II and on working at an experimental television station

    11:57

    Lewis Gomavitz on being in mission control during the Moon Landing

    02:16

    Hollywood Blacklist

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Hollywood Blacklist

    03:24

    Industry Crossroads

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Hollywood Blacklist

    03:24

    Moon Landing

    Lewis Gomavitz on being in mission control during the Moon Landing

    02:16

    Pop Culture

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Kukla, Fran & Ollie theme song

    01:41

    Technological Innovation

    Lewis Gomavitz on working at an experimental television station

    07:00

    Lewis Gomavitz on the kinds of cameras and other equipment used at the experimental television station he worked at

    03:52

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie being used for tests of color broadcasts

    03:34

    Television and the Presidency

    Lewis Gomavitz on working at the 1952, 1956, and 1960 Democratic National Conventions

    03:36

    Television Industry

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Hollywood Blacklist

    03:24

    Lewis Gomavitz on getting into advertising

    02:35

    TV Theme Songs

    Lewis Gomavitz on the Kukla, Fran & Ollie theme song

    01:41

    War

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experience with World War II

    03:56

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experiences with World War II and on working at an experimental television station

    11:56

    World War II

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experience with World War II

    03:56

    Lewis Gomavitz on his experiences with World War II and on working at an experimental television station

    11:56

    Directors

    Lewis Gomavitz on advice to aspiring television directors

    04:13

    Children's Programming

    Lewis Gomavitz on the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

    05:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on directing Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    28:53

    Lewis Gomavitz on directing Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    28:09

    Lewis Gomavitz on directing Kukla, Fran, & Ollie

    27:50

    Lewis Gomavitz on directing Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    24:25

    Comedy Series

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Ernie Kovacs on The Ernie Kovacs Show

    06:53

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master for Sanford and Son

    05:27

    News and Documentary

    Lewis Gomavitz on going to work at KNBC News in Los Angeles

    03:47

    Talk Shows

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master on The Toni Tennille Show, and on his retirement

    02:53

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master for Dinah!

    06:44

    Fran Allison

    Lewis Gomavitz on the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

    05:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison, and on the show being ad libbed

    02:36

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the content of a typical episode with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison

    02:04

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison on the set of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    02:06

    Lewis Gomavitz on Fran Allison on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    06:00

    Tallulah Bankhead

    Lewis Gomavitz on Tallulah Bankhead being a big fan of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    07:32

    Dorothy Collins

    Lewis Gomavitz on Raymond Scott and Dorothy Collins appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:10

    Redd Foxx

    Lewis Gomavitz on the cast of Sanford and Son including Redd Foxx

    01:27

    Ernie Kovacs

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Ernie Kovacs on The Ernie Kovacs Show

    06:54

    June Lockhart

    Lewis Gomavitz on June Lockhart appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:52

    Dinah Shore

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master for Dinah Shore's show Dinah!

    06:24

    Toni Tennille

    Lewis Gomavitz on acting as prop master on The Toni Tennille Show, and on his retirement

    02:53

    Studs Terkel

    Lewis Gomavitz on Studs Terkel appearing on Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    01:53

    Burr Tillstrom

    Lewis Gomavitz on his early experiences in theater and on meeting Burr Tillstrom at the 1939 World's Fair

    06:30

    Lewis Gomavitz on the genesis of Kukla, Fran & Ollie created by Burr Tillstrom, including the casting of Fran Allison

    05:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on his first meeting with Burr Tillstrom regarding Kukla, Fran & Ollie (orignally Junior Jamboree, and on the format of the show

    05:13

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison, and on the show being ad libbed

    02:36

    Lewis Gomavitz on his duties as director of Kukla, Fran & Ollie and on the content of a typical episode with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison

    02:04

    Lewis Gomavitz on working with Burr Tillstrom and Fran Allison on the set of Kukla, Fran & Ollie

    02:06

    Lewis Gomavitz on Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom

    04:29

    Lewis Gomavitz on the personality of Kukla, Fran & Ollie creator Burr Tillstrom, and on their friendship

    08:17

    Lewis Gomavitz on the death of Burr Tillstrom

    04:34

    Lewis Gomavitz on the puppets of Kukla, Fran & Ollie, created by Burr Tillstrom

    09:50

    Bud Yorkin

    Lewis Gomavitz on the color test episodes of Kukla, Fran & Ollie , and on Bud Yorkin being a stage manager

    02:32

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