"...And I said, What do you think about this for the Andy Griffith show? He listened to it and he said, 'I'll tell you what, I'll shoot Andy and Ronnie walking along the lake with a couple of fishing poles over their shoulder.' Great. That was the way it was done. I had never whistled before in my life. And never since."

    About This Interview

    In his five-hour interview, Earle Hagen (1919-2008) describes the pleasure of working with producers Sheldon Leonard and Danny Thomas. He discusses creating the themes, as well as writing the music for The Danny Thomas Show, The Andy Griffith Show, The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Spy, and The Mod Squad, among others. He also speaks of his work on the series Where's Raymond? with Ray Bolger. Jon Burlingame conducted the interview on November 17, 1997 in Palm Springs, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on his early professional band experience

    13:34

    On being in Benny Goodman's band, and later Tommy Dorsey; on the kinds of venues he played early in his career

    06:01

    On playing at the dog track in Culver City and recording at Decca; on writing arrangements

    04:23

    Chapter 2

    On being on the road as a musician early in his career; on writing the song "Harlem Nocturne"; on becoming a staff musician at CBS

    09:15

    On joining the radio production unit of the Air Force during World War II; on deciding to stop playing trombone, and become a "full time" songwriter; on meeting his wife Elouise "Lou" Sidwell

    07:33

    On studying to be an arranger and composer; on his post-World War II activities, and on writing an arrangement of "The Trolly Song" for the "Philco Radio Show"; on finding success as an arranger/conductor

    11:15

    Chapter 3

    On the difference between a composer and an arranger; on going to work for 20th Century Fox studios as a arranger in 1946; on working for 20th Century Fox music director Alfred Newman

    14:37

    On teaming up with Herbert W. Spencer, and working on various musicals; on leaving 20th Century Fox studios

    07:49

    On switching from working in feature films to working in television in the early '50s; on the Spencer-Hagen Orchestra, and on how he and Herbert W. Spencer split work assignments

    05:54

    Chapter 4

    On the evolution of the media on which he'd record; on composing and conducting music for The Danny Thomas Show ; on his professional relationship with Danny Thomas when he was composer/conductor for The Danny Thomas Show

    13:38

    On using "Danny Boy," or "Londonderry Air" as the theme song to The Danny Thomas Show; on Sheldon Leonard's philosophy of using original music for his shows like The Danny Thomas Show; on filming The Danny Thomas Show in front of a live studio audience

    06:17

    on composing and conducting for The Ray Bolger Show; on working with Roy Bolger on The Ray Bolger Show; on the production of The Ray Bolger Show, and on the workload

    08:29

    Chapter 5

    On the difference between composing for film and television; on the origin of The Andy Griffith Show, a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show; on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    14:05

    On composing music for Don Knotts' character on The Andy Griffith Show; on collaborating with Andy Griffith and director Bob Sweeney on scoring The Andy Griffith Show;

    06:27

    On the lyrics to The Andy Griffith Show theme song; on working with producer Aaron Ruben on The Andy Griffith Show; on the process of scoring an episode of The Andy Griffith Show

    09:01

    Chapter 6

    On the terms "click track" and "free timing"; on timing out his workload for The Andy Griffith Show, and dealing with musicians union rules; on being attuned to how things would sound though a small television speaker, and on post production of the music

    09:25

    On the creation by Carl Reiner of The Dick Van Dyke Show, produced by Sheldon Leonard; on composing the theme for The Dick Van Dyke Show, and on scoring the episodes; on comparing scoring The Dick Van Dyke Show to The Andy Griffith Show

    06:42

    On working with Carl Reiner and Dick Van Dyke on The Dick Van Dyke Show; on the pilot of Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.; on beginning his work for I Spy

    13:00

    Chapter 7

    On the amount of different material needed for I Spy; on writing the theme for I Spy; on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    08:52

    On orchestrating the music for I Spy and bringing in another composer to help with the workload on that show; on composing exotic music for I Spy depending on the location of the episode

    13:49

    On traveling with the company of I Spy; on favorite episodes of I Spy

    06:07

    Chapter 8

    On never using music of the time for I Spy; on releasing albums of his music from I Spy; on being a "packager" and on the business end of composing music for television

    09:57

    On working on That Girl; on using library music for Guestward Ho!; on creating the theme song for The Mod Squad

    06:32

    On pressure to score The Mod Squad with a more rock and roll sound; on using different types of beats for different scenes on The Mod Squad and on the band he used for the show

    11:50

    Chapter 9

    On using the theme he wrote for the town of Mayberry on The Andy Griffith Show as the theme for the spinoff Mayberry RFD ; on composing the theme for The Guns of Will Sonnett ; on becoming a teacher of music

    10:35

    On creating the music library for Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman sight-unseen; on his work on The Dukes of Hazzard; on his work on Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer

    11:22

    On his decision to retire from music; on the role of music in television, and on how things have changed in the industry since he started

    06:12

    Chapter 10

    On advice to an aspiring television composer; on technological advancements in music in television since he started his career; on career highlights, including winning the Emmy Award

    05:15

    On how he'd like to be remembered; on various people he worked with in his career

    14:32

    On b-roll footage- pictures from his career

    02:21

    Andy Griffith Show, The

    Earle Hagen on the origin of The Andy Griffith Show, a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show

    03:21

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    04:58

    Earle Hagen on composing music for Don Knotts' character on The Andy Griffith Show

    04:09

    Earle Hagen on collaborating with Andy Griffith and director Bob Sweeney on scoring The Andy Griffith Show

    02:18

    Earle Hagen on the lyrics to The Andy Griffith Show theme song, and on his The Andy Griffith Show album

    01:51

    Earle Hagen on working with producer Aaron Ruben on The Andy Griffith Show

    01:37

    Earle Hagen on the process of scoring an episode of The Andy Griffith Show

    05:33

    Earle Hagen on timing out his workload for The Andy Griffith Show, and dealing with musicians union rules

    02:16

    Earle Hagen on comparing scoring The Dick Van Dyke Show to The Andy Griffith Show

    02:02

    Danny Thomas Show, The aka Make Room for Daddy

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting music for The Danny Thomas Show and on working with producer Sheldon Leonard

    08:01

    Earle Hagen on his professional relationship with Danny Thomas when he was composer/conductor for The Danny Thomas Show

    02:40

    Earle Hagen on using "Danny Boy," or "Londonderry Air" as the theme song to The Danny Thomas Show

    00:48

    Earle Hagen on Sheldon Leonard's philosophy of using original music for his shows like The Danny Thomas Show

    01:43

    Earle Hagen on filming The Danny Thomas Show in front of a live studio audience

    03:46

    Earle Hagen on the origin of The Andy Griffith Show, a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show

    03:21

    Dick Van Dyke Show, The

    Earle Hagen on the creation by Carl Reiner of The Dick Van Dyke Show, produced by Sheldon Leonard

    02:55

    Earle Hagen on composing the theme for The Dick Van Dyke Show, and on scoring the episodes

    01:45

    Earle Hagen on comparing scoring The Dick Van Dyke Show to The Andy Griffith Show

    02:02

    Earle Hagen on working with Carl Reiner and Dick Van Dyke on The Dick Van Dyke Show

    01:52

    Dukes of Hazzard, The

    Earle Hagen on his work on The Dukes of Hazzard

    02:32

    Gomer Pyle - USMC

    Earle Hagen on the pilot of Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C., and on bringing in other people to help him

    04:03

    Guestward Ho!

    Earle Hagen on using library music for Guestward Ho!

    00:45

    Guns of Will Sonnett, The

    Earle Hagen on composing the theme for The Guns of Will Sonnett 

    01:05

    I Spy

    Earle Hagen on beginning his work for I Spy

    07:05

    Earle Hagen on the amount of different material needed for I Spy

    01:50

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme for I Spy

    05:00

    Earle Hagen on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    02:02

    Earle Hagen on orchestrating the music for I Spy and bringing in another composer to help with the workload on that show

    05:48

    Earle Hagen on composing exotic music for I Spy depending on the location of the episode

    08:01

    Earle Hagen on traveling with the company of I Spy

    03:15

    Earle Hagen on favorite episodes of I Spy

    02:52

    Earl Hagen on never using music of the time for I Spy

    01:20

    Earl Hagen on releasing albums of his music from I Spy

    01:01

    Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman

    Earle Hagen on creating the music library for Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman sight-unseen

    01:15

    Mayberry R.F.D.

    Earle Hagen on using the theme he wrote for the town of Mayberry on The Andy Griffith Show as the theme for the spinoff Mayberry RFD

    00:39

    Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer

    Earle Hagen on his work on Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer

    07:35

    Mod Squad, The

    Earl Hagen on creating the theme song for The Mod Squad

    02:29

    Earl Hagen on pressure to score The Mod Squad with a more rock and roll sound

    03:58

    Earl Hagen on using different types of beats for different scenes on The Mod Squad and on the band he used for the show

    07:52

    Ray Bolger Show, The

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting for The Ray Bolger Show

    02:16

    Earle Hagen on working with Roy Bolger on The Ray Bolger Show

    01:10

    Earle Hagen on the production of The Ray Bolger Show and on his workload at that time

    05:03

    That Girl

    Earle Hagen on composing the theme song for That Girl

    03:17

    Emmy Awards

    Earle Hagen on career highlights, including winning an Emmy

    01:11

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Earle Hagen on joining the radio production unit of the Air Force during World War II

    03:02

    Earle Hagen on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    02:02

    Pop Culture

    Earle Hagen on using "Danny Boy," or "Londonderry Air" as the theme song to The Danny Thomas Show

    00:48

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    04:58

    Earle Hagen on the lyrics to The Andy Griffith Show theme song

    01:51

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme for I Spy

    05:00

    Representation on Television

    Earle Hagen on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    02:02

    Technological Innovation

    Earle Hagen on technological advancements in music in television since he started his career

    01:37

    Television Industry

    Earle Hagen on being a "packager" or on the business end of composing music for television

    07:28

    TV Theme Songs

    Earle Hagen on using "Danny Boy," or "Londonderry Air" as the theme song to The Danny Thomas Show

    00:48

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    04:58

    Earle Hagen on the lyrics to The Andy Griffith Show theme song

    01:51

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme for I Spy

    05:00

    Underrepresented Voices

    Earle Hagen on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    02:02

    War

    Earle Hagen on joining the radio production unit of the Air Force during World War II

    03:02

    World War II

    Earle Hagen on joining the radio production unit of the Air Force during World War II

    03:02

    Composer

    Earle Hagen on the difference between composing for film and television

    05:46

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    03:21

    Earle Hagen on composing music for Don Knotts' character on The Andy Griffith Show

    00:58

    Earle Hagen on the terms "click track" and "free timing"

    03:38

    Earle Hagen on being attuned to how things would sound though a small television speaker, and on post production of the music

    03:31

    Earle Hagen on being a "packager" or on the business end of composing music for television

    07:36

    Earl Hagen on using different types of beats for different scenes on The Mod Squad and on the band he used for the show

    07:52

    Earle Hagen on becoming a teacher of music

    06:11

    Earle Hagen on writing books on music composition

    02:39

    Earle Hagen on the role of music in television, and on how things have changed in the industry since he started

    04:37

    Earle Hagen on advice to an aspiring television composer

    00:31

    Music Professionals

    Earle Hagen on the difference between composing for film and television

    05:46

    Earle Hagen on writing the theme to The Andy Griffith Show

    03:21

    Earle Hagen on composing music for Don Knotts' character on The Andy Griffith Show

    00:58

    Earle Hagen on the terms "click track" and "free timing"

    03:38

    Earle Hagen on being attuned to how things would sound though a small television speaker, and on post production of the music

    03:31

    Earle Hagen on being a "packager" or on the business end of composing music for television

    07:36

    Earl Hagen on using different types of beats for different scenes on The Mod Squad and on the band he used for the show

    07:52

    Earle Hagen on becoming a teacher of music

    06:11

    Earle Hagen on writing books on music composition

    02:39

    Earle Hagen on the role of music in television, and on how things have changed in the industry since he started

    04:37

    Earle Hagen on advice to an aspiring television composer

    00:31

    Adventure/Espionage Series

    Earle Hagen on composing for I Spy

    28:48

    Earle Hagen on composing music for I Spy

    02:21

    Comedy Series

    Earle Hagen on scoring and conducting for The Danny Thomas Show

    19:55

    Earle Hagen on scoring The Andy Griffith Show

    23:47

    Earle Hagen on composing the theme song for That Girl

    03:17

    Earle Hagen on using library music for Guestward Ho!

    00:45

    Music Shows & Variety Shows/Specials

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting for The Ray Bolger Show

    08:29

    Western Series

    Earle Hagen on using library music for Guestward Ho!

    00:45

    Ray Bolger

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting for The Ray Bolger Show

    02:16

    Earle Hagen on working with Roy Bolger on The Ray Bolger Show

    01:10

    Bill Cosby

    Earle Hagen on NBC initially not approving Bill Cosby to co-star in I Spy because it feared repercussions from Southern affiliates

    02:02

    Duke Ellington

    Earle Hagen on Duke Ellington

    00:32

    Jerry Goldsmith

    Earle Hagen on Jerry Goldsmith

    00:21

    Benny Goodman

    Earle Hagen on being in Benny Goodman's band, and later Tommy Dorsey

    04:02

    Earle Hagen on Benny Goodman

    00:28

    Andy Griffith

    Earle Hagen on the origin of The Andy Griffith Show, a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show

    03:21

    Earle Hagen on collaborating with Andy Griffith and director Bob Sweeney on scoring The Andy Griffith Show

    02:18

    Quincy Jones

    Earle Hagen on Quincy Jones

    00:57

    Don Knotts

    Earle Hagen on composing music for Don Knotts' character on The Andy Griffith Show

    04:09

    Sheldon Leonard

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting music for The Danny Thomas Show and on working with producer Sheldon Leonard

    08:01

    Earle Hagen on Sheldon Leonard's philosophy of using original music for his shows like The Danny Thomas Show

    01:43

    Earle Hagen on the creation by Carl Reiner of The Dick Van Dyke Show, produced by Sheldon Leonard

    02:55

    Earle Hagen on Sheldon Leonard

    00:53

    Henry Mancini

    Earle Hagen on Henry Mancini

    01:12

    Mike Post

    Earle Hagen on Mike Post

    00:38

    Carl Reiner

    Earle Hagen on the creation by Carl Reiner of The Dick Van Dyke Show, produced by Sheldon Leonard

    02:55

    Earle Hagen on working with Carl Reiner and Dick Van Dyke on The Dick Van Dyke Show

    01:52

    Aaron Ruben

    Earle Hagen on working with producer Aaron Ruben on The Andy Griffith Show

    01:37

    Everett Sloane

    Earle Hagen on the lyrics to The Andy Griffith Show theme song by Everett Sloane

    01:51

    Bob Sweeney

    Earle Hagen on collaborating with Andy Griffith and director Bob Sweeney on scoring The Andy Griffith Show

    02:18

    Danny Thomas

    Earle Hagen on composing and conducting music for The Danny Thomas Show and on working with producer Sheldon Leonard

    08:01

    Earle Hagen on filming The Danny Thomas Show in front of a live studio audience

    03:46

    Earle Hagen on Danny Thomas

    00:28

    Dick Van Dyke

    Earle Hagen on working with Carl Reiner and Dick Van Dyke on The Dick Van Dyke Show

    01:52

    John Williams

    Earle Hagen on John Williams

    00:19

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