"People say to me all the time, 'Please bring Johnny Carson back.' If I could, I wouldn't. He just belongs where he is. Right on top."

    About This Interview

    In his three-and-a-half-hour interview, Fred de Cordova (1910-2001) talks about his early life and experiences in New York City working for the Shubert Organization which led to him eventually moving to Hollywood and becoming a director. He describes directing several feature films including Bedtime for Bonzo starring future president Ronald Reagan. He discusses producing and directing The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show, as well as his personal relationship with stars George Burns and Gracie Allen. He outlines his time producing and directing The Jack Benny Program, and details his long friendship with Benny and his wife Mary Livingstone. De Cordova recalls directing several television sitcoms including The George Gobel Show, December Bride, Bewitched, and over one hundred episodes of My Three Sons starring Fred MacMurray. He talks about his twenty-two-year association with The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson where he first acted as producer and later executive producer. He recalls the many guests of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, the guest hosts, the sketches, Carson's nightly monologue, and the enduring popularity of the show. He concludes by speaking of the many notable people with whom he's worked in his career. Morrie Gelman conducted the interview on November 7, 1997 in Burbank, CA.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on his favorite performers growing up and his early education; on his first show business job working for the Shubert Organization

    14:54

    On living through the Great Depression; on discovering Jackie Gleason and working with Milton Berle; on establishing himself as a director first in New York and later in Hollywood

    14:06

    Chapter 2

    On his experiences in World War II; on early features he directed; on the difference between directing theater and directing features

    08:49

    On directing Ronald Reagan in the feature "Bedtime for Bonzo" and directing various other Universal features; on how he came to produce and direct The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    10:48

    On directing December Bride and The Bob Cummings Show; on how he came to produce The Jack Benny Program

    08:10

    Chapter 3

    On working on The George Gobel Show; on producing The Jack Benny Program and working with Jack Benny; on Jack Benny's wife Mary Livingston on The Jack Benny Program

    09:22

    On the marriage between George Burns and Gracie Allen and the death of Gracie Allen; on the friendship between George Burns and Jack Benny, and Benny's feud with Fred Allen

    06:17

    On the differences between directing features and directing television; on the 1950s Golden Age of Television; on television's perceived second class status in the '50s

    13:17

    Chapter 4

    On producing and directing several series for Screen Gems including The Donna Reed Show, The Farmer's Daughter, and Bewitched; on directing Mr. Adams and Eve and The Doris Day Show; on the importance of casting

    12:29

    On directing My Three Sons and on Fred MacMurray's shooting schedule; on My Three Sons producer Don Fedderson and on working with William Demarest as "Uncle Charlie"

    07:38

    On meeting Johnny Carson; on becoming the producer of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    08:34

    Chapter 5

    On his duties as producer on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on the format of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on the talents of Johnny Carson on the show

    08:27

    On his personal relationship with Johnny Carson; on his daily routine on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson including Johnny Carson's monologue; on getting guests and guest hosts for the show

    13:08

    On Ed McMahon and Doc Severinsen on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on Bobby Quinn as the director of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and on various coordinators; on David Letterman and Jimmy Stewart as guests on the show

    07:06

    Chapter 6

    On the non-celebrity guests and comedians on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on the sketches of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on the commercial breaks on the show

    06:56

    On The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson moving from New York to Burbank and the studio audience; on choosing the guest hosts for The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and the show's relationship with NBC executives; on Joan Rivers and Jay Leno guest hosting the show

    09:36

    On Johnny Carson's retirement from The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson; on consulting for The Tonight Show Starring Jay Leno; on what makes a good talk show and career highlights

    08:32

    On the then-future of television and how he'd like to be remembered; on his many Emmy Awards

    03:29

    Chapter 7

    Fred de Cordova on various people he worked with in his career

    14:57

    On b-roll pictures from his career- on the set of My Three Sons; with Spring Barrington on the set of December Bride; with George Burns; with Jack Benny; with Rod Serling; with Gracie Allen; with Ida Lupino; holding an Emmy Award; with Ed Sullivan; with Bing Crosby; with Jack Benny and Bob Hope; with Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon

    02:55

    Bewitched

    Fred de Cordova on producing and directing several series for Screen Gems including The Donna Reed ShowThe Farmer's Daughter, and Bewitched

    06:28

    Bob Cummings Show, The aka Love That Bob

    Fred de Cordova on directing The Bob Cummings Show and working with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope

    05:45

    December Bride

    Fred de Cordova on directing December Bride

    01:24

    Donna Reed Show, The

    Fred de Cordova on producing and directing several series for Screen Gems including The Donna Reed Show, The Farmer's Daughter, and Bewitched

    06:28

    Doris Day Show, The

    Fred de Cordova on directing Mr. Adams and Eve and The Doris Day Show

    03:48

    Emmy Awards, The (Primetime and Daytime)

    Fred de Cordova on his many Emmys

    01:25

    Farmer's Daughter, The

    Fred de Cordova on producing and directing several series for Screen Gems including The Donna Reed ShowThe Farmer's Daughter, and Bewitched

    06:28

    George Burns and Gracie Allen Show, The

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce and direct The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    04:31

    Fred de Cordova on the format of The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    02:07

    George Gobel Show, The

    Fred de Cordova on working on The George Gobel Show

    04:19

    Jack Benny Program, The

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce The Jack Benny Program

    00:59

    Fred de Cordova on producing The Jack Benny Program and working with Jack Benny

    04:05

    Fred de Cordova on Jack Benny's wife Mary Livingston on The Jack Benny Program

    00:57

    Mr. Adams and Eve

    Fred de Cordova on directing Mr. Adams and Eve and The Doris Day Show

    03:48

    My Three Sons

    Fred de Cordova on directing My Three Sons and Fred MacMurray's shooting schedule 

    04:57

    Fred de Cordova on My Three Sons producer Don Fedderson and working with William Demarest as "Uncle Charlie"

    02:41

    Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, The

    Fred de Cordova on becoming the producer of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    05:51

    Fred de Cordova on his duties as producer on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:48

    Fred de Cordova on the format of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:07

    Fred de Cordova on the talents of Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    03:30

    Fred de Cordova on his personal relationship with Johnny Carson

    03:32

    Fred de Cordova on his daily routine on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson including Johnny Carson's monologue

    04:18

    Fred de Cordova on getting guests and guest hosts for The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    05:16

    Fred de Cordova on Ed McMahon and Doc Severneson on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:34

    Fred de Cordova on Bobby Quinn as the director of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and various coordinators

    01:54

    Fred de Cordova on Johnny Carson's fondness for having Jimmy Stewart as a Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson guest

    01:42

    Fred de Cordova on David Letterman as a guest on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    00:53

    Fred de Cordova on the non-celebrity guests on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:04

    Fred de Cordova on comedians on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    01:13

    Fred de Cordova on the sketches of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:54

    Fred de Cordova on the commercial breaks on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    00:45

    Fred de Cordova on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson moving from New York to Burbank and the studio audience 

    02:29

    Fred de Cordova on issues with standards and practices on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    01:21

    Fred de Cordova on choosing the guest hosts for The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and the show's relationship with NBC executives

    03:36

    Fred de Cordova on Joan Rivers and Jay Leno guest hosting The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:10

    Fred de Cordova on Johnny Carson's retirement from The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    03:08

    Tonight Show with Jay Leno, The

    Fred de Cordova on consulting for The Tonight Show Starring Jay Leno

    02:58

    Censorship / Standards & Practices

    Fred de Cordova on issues with standards and practices on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    01:21

    Emmy Awards

    Fred de Cordova on his many Emmys

    01:25

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Fred de Cordova on his experiences in World War II

    03:21

    Television Industry

    Fred de Cordova on television's perceived second class status in the '50s

    03:01

    Fred de Cordova on the then-future of television and how he'd like to be remembered 

    01:10

    Fred de Cordova on issues with standards and practices on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    01:21

    TV's Golden Age (1940s & '50s)

    Fred de Cordova on the '50s Golden Age of Television 

    05:40

    War

    Fred de Cordova on his experiences in World War II

    03:21

    World War II

    Fred de Cordova on his experiences in World War II

    03:21

    Directors

    Fred de Cordova on the differences between directing features and directing television

    03:46

    Producers

    Fred de Cordova on his duties as producer on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:49

    Comedy Series

    Fred de Cordova on producing and directing The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    06:40

    Fred de Cordova on directing December Bride

    01:24

    Fred de Cordova on directing The Bob Cummings Show

    05:45

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce The Jack Benny Program

    00:59

    Fred de Cordova on working on The George Gobel Show

    04:19

    Fred de Cordova on producing The Jack Benny Program

    05:03

    Fred de Cordova on producing and directing several series for Screen Gems including The Donna Reed ShowThe Farmer's Daughter, and Bewitched

    06:28

    Fred de Cordova on directing Mr. Adams and Eve and The Doris Day Show

    03:48

    Fred de Cordova on directing My Three Sons

    07:37

    Talk Shows

    Fred de Cordova on producing The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    05:51

    Fred de Cordova on producing The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (Part 2)

    28:43

    Fred de Cordova on producing The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (Part 3)

    22:38

    Fred Allen

    Fred de Cordova on the friendship between George Burns and Jack Benny, and Benny's feud with Fred Allen

    02:49

    Gracie Allen

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce and direct The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    04:32

    Fred de Cordova on the marriage between George Burns and Gracie Allen and the death of Gracie Allen

    03:28

    Jack Benny

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce The Jack Benny Program

    00:59

    Fred de Cordova on the friendship between George Burns and Jack Benny, and Benny's feud with Fred Allen

    02:49

    Milton Berle

    Fred de Cordova on working with Milton Berle early on and the first shows de Cordova directed

    03:15

    Fred de Cordova on Milton Berle

    00:55

    George Burns

    Fred de Cordova on how he came to produce and direct The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    04:32

    Fred de Cordova on the marriage between George Burns and Gracie Allen and the death of Gracie Allen

    03:28

    Fred de Cordova on the friendship between George Burns and Jack Benny, and Benny's feud with Fred Allen

    02:49

    Johnny Carson

    Fred de Cordova on meeting Johnny Carson

    02:15

    Fred de Cordova on the talents of Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    03:30

    Fred de Cordova on his personal relationship with Johnny Carson

    03:32

    Fred de Cordova on his daily routine on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson including Johnny Carson's monologue

    04:19

    Fred de Cordova on Johnny Carson's retirement from The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    03:09

    Fred de Cordova on Johnny Carson

    00:46

    Bing Crosby

    Fred de Cordova on directing The Bob Cummings Show and working with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope

    05:45

    Fred de Cordova on Bing Crosby

    00:58

    Bob Cummings

    Fred de Cordova on directing The Bob Cummings Show and working with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope

    05:45

    Doris Day

    Fred de Cordova on directing Mr. Adams and Eve and The Doris Day Show

    03:48

    William Demarest

    Fred de Cordova on My Three Sons producer Don Fedderson and working with William Demarest as "Uncle Charlie"

    02:39

    Jimmy Durante

    Fred de Cordova on Jimmy Durante

    00:39

    Don Fedderson

    Fred de Cordova on My Three Sons producer Don Fedderson and working with William Demarest as "Uncle Charlie"

    02:39

    Jackie Gleason

    Fred de Cordova on discovering Jackie Gleason 

    02:13

    Fred de Cordova on Jackie Gleason

    00:40

    George Gobel

    Fred de Cordova on working on The George Gobel Show

    04:19

    Bob Hope

    Fred de Cordova on directing The Bob Cummings Show and working with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope

    05:45

    Fred de Cordova on Bob Hope

    01:28

    Danny Kaye

    Fred de Cordova on Danny Kaye

    00:43

    Jay Leno

    Fred de Cordova on Joan Rivers and Jay Leno guest hosting The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    16:33

    Fred de Cordova on consulting for The Tonight Show Starring Jay Leno

    02:58

    David Letterman

    Fred de Cordova on David Letterman as a guest on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    00:53

    Mary Livingstone

    Fred de Cordova on Jack Benny's wife Mary Livingston on The Jack Benny Program

    00:56

    Fred MacMurray

    Fred de Cordova on directing My Three Sons  and Fred MacMurray's shooting schedule 

    04:57

    Ed McMahon

    Fred de Cordova on Ed McMahon and Doc Severinsen on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:35

    Ronald Reagan

    Fred de Cordova on directing Ronald Reagan in the feature "Bedtime for Bonzo" and directing various other Universal features

    04:08

    Joan Rivers

    Fred de Cordova on Joan Rivers and Jay Leno guest hosting The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:09

    Doc Severinsen

    Fred de Cordova on Ed McMahon and Doc Severinsen on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson

    02:35

    Jimmy Stewart

    Fred de Cordova on Johnny Carson's fondness for having Jimmy Stewart as a Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson  guest

    01:42

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