"There was an old lady in a hospital, and she said that she was so happy because she could look forward every Monday night to watching The Man From U.N.C.L.E. It made her week. It made her feel better. And I thought, 'That’s really why we do it.'”

    About This Interview

    In his two-and-a-half-hour remote TheirStory interview, David McCallum (1933-2023) describes his early years in Scotland and England, and how he got involved with BBC radio and BBC television as a child. He talks about attending the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, serving in the Royal West African Frontier Force, and being a stage manager for the Chesterfield Civic Theatre and the Oxford Repertory Company. He recalls his roles in the films Freud: The Secret PassionBilly BuddThe Long and the Short and the TallThe Secret Place, and The Greatest Story Ever Told. He speaks of moving to Los Angeles and his guest role on The Outer Limits, and then details his years playing "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. -- he discusses working with co-stars Robert Vaughn and Leo G. Carroll, performing stunts on the show, doing publicity in Nielsen cities, how the show changed over the years, and more. He explains why he moved to New York City after The Man From U.N.C.L.E. ended, briefly discusses working on the British shows Colditz and Sapphire and Steel, and then recounts how he was cast as "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky" on the hit CBS show, NCIS. McCallum recalls some of "Ducky's" most memorable storylines, talks about castmates leaving the show, and shares why he thinks NCIS is so popular. He concludes with remarks about how the industry has changed since he first started, and offers advice to aspiring actors. Adrienne Faillace conducted the interview on November 30, 2021.

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    Chapter 1

    On where he's calling in from; on his childhood and early interests; on his memories of World War II; on listening to the radio as a child; on his parents and their musical talent; on his early involvement in the amateur dramatics society and how he got interested in acting; on his interest in carpentry; on being the stage manager of the Chesterfield Civic Theatre

    14:15

    On his work with BBC radio and BBC television when he was a child; on attending the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts; on his ease in front of the camera and with memorization; on his first television set; on his commission in the Royal West African Frontier Force; on returning to stage management work; on working at the Oxford Repertory Company

    15:14

    On getting an agent and getting a role in the movie Freud: The Secret Passion with Montgomery Clift, directed by John Huston; on additional film roles in Billy Budd, The Long and the Short and the Tall, and The Secret Place ; on writing a book, Once a Crooked Man; on his five albums for Capitol Records and having little to do with the song "The Edge"

    06:24

    On how he came to the United States; on moving to Los Angeles with his first wife, Jill Ireland; on experiencing trauma: losing a baby, and later, the death of his son; on breaking into American television in the 1960s; on a guest role in The Outer Limits episode "The Sixth Finger"

    11:05

    On how he was cast as "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on how the idea for The Man From U.N.C.L.E. came about; on the various seasons of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and never being told directly about the show's cancellation; on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. being the reason he left Hollywood; on shooting the pilot of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on the expansion of his character, "Illya Kuryakin"; on guest stars on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on MGM changing when James Aubrey became president of the studio; on shooting at MGM and on location

    13:42

    On production and camera work on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on not being interested in directing The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on his character, "Illya Kuryakin"; on going on a Nielsen city tour to do publicity for The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on the popularity of "Illya Kuryakin" and dealing with celebrity for the first time; on working with Robert Vaughn; on invitations he's received as a result of being on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    20:51

    On stunt work and working with guns on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on the gadgets from The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and how "Illya Kuryakin" came to wear the #2 badge; on working with Leo G. Carroll; on the concept of a Russian agent and an American agent working together on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on "Illya Kuryakin's" accent, wardrobe, and wedding ring; on the cancellation of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on returning years later to make The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Years Later Affair; on the film version of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on re-teaming with Robert Vaughn on an episode of The A-Team, with nods to The Man From U.N.C.L.E.; on still getting recognized as "Illya Kuryakin" from The Man From U.N.C.L.E. more than 50 years after the show ended; on the legacy of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    18:20

    Chapter 2

    On moving to New York when The Man From U.N.C.L.E. ended; on doing more theater; on doing several series in Britain in the 1970s and 1980s: Colditz and Sapphire and Steel

    06:21

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS; on his first day of shooting on NCIS and on NCIS scripts; on learning about pathology to play "Ducky'"; on how he would describe "Ducky'" and on "Ducky's" retirement and becoming NCIS historian; on production on NCIS during the COVID-19 pandemic; on the then-current cast

    13:40

    On crediting the writers and producers for the success of NCIS; on Mark Harmon's departure from NCIS and the relationship between "Gibbs" and "Ducky"; on a reference to "Illya Kuryakin" on a season two episode of NCIS; on "Ducky's" heart attack at the end of season nine; on "Ducky's" role as a mentor; on how long he plans to stay on NCIS

    10:14

    On changes in the TV industry since he first started in the business; on what he likes in a director and what a director adds to a set; on mentors; on advice to aspiring actors; on how he's dealt with the lack of job security that's part of being an actor; on the value of oral history interviews; on his proudest career achievement, career regrets, and how he'd like to be remembered

    13:10

    A-Team, The

    David McCallum on re-teaming with Robert Vaughn on an episode of The A-Team, with nods to The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:36

    Man From U.N.C.L.E., The

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:33

    David McCallum on how the idea for The Man From U.N.C.L.E. came about

    00:44

    David McCallum on the various seasons of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and never being told directly about the show's cancellation

    02:28

    David McCallum on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. being the reason he left Hollywood

    00:46

    David McCallum on shooting the pilot of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on the expansion of "Illya Kuryakin"

    02:33

    David McCallum on guest stars on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on MGM changing when James Aubrey became president of the studio

    01:36

    David McCallum on shooting The Man From U.N.C.L.E. on the various MGM lots and on location; on dressing rooms and offices at MGM

    02:39

    David McCallum on production and camera work on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    03:54

    David McCallum on not being interested in directing The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:42

    David McCallum on his character, "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:02

    David McCallum on going on a Nielsen city tour to do publicity for The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:00

    David McCallum on the popularity of his character, "Illya Kuryakin," on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and dealing with celebrity for the first time

    04:53

    David McCallum on receiving more fan mail than any other male MGM star when he was on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:22

    David McCallum on working with his castmates on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: Robert Vaughn

    03:19

    David McCallum on invitations he's received as a result of being on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:52

    David McCallum on stunt work and working with guns on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:45

    David McCallum on the gadgets from The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and how "Illya Kuryakin" came to wear the #2 badge

    01:13

    David McCallum on working with his castmates on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: Leo G. Carroll

    01:35

    David McCallum on the concept of a Russian agent and an American agent working together on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:15

    David McCallum on his character, "Illya Kuryakin's" accent, wardrobe, and wedding ring on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:57

    David McCallum on the cancellation of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on returning years later to make The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Years Later Affair; on the film version of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    05:59

    David McCallum on re-teaming with Robert Vaughn on an episode of The A-Team, with nods to The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:36

    David McCallum on still getting recognized as "Illya Kuryakin" from The Man From U.N.C.L.E. more than 50 years after the show ended

    00:32

    David McCallum on the legacy of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    03:44

    David McCallum on a reference to "Illya Kuryakin" on a season two episode of NCIS

    01:07

    NCIS

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    03:58

    David McCallum on his first day of shooting on NCIS and on NCIS scripts

    00:56

    David McCallum on learning about pathology to play "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    03:10

    David McCallum on how he would describe his NCIS character, "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" and on "Ducky's" retirement and becoming NCIS historian

    01:38

    David McCallum on production on NCIS during the COVID-19 pandemic

    03:19

    David McCallum on the then-current cast of NCIS

    00:27

    David McCallum on crediting the writers and producers for the success of NCIS

    00:37

    David McCallum on Mark Harmon's departure from NCIS and the relationship between "Gibbs" and "Ducky"

    01:00

    David McCallum on a reference to "Illya Kuryakin" on a season two episode of NCIS

    01:07

    David McCallum on "Ducky's" heart attack at the end of season nine of NCIS

    02:04

    David McCallum on "Ducky's" role as a mentor on NCIS

    00:57

    David McCallum on how long he plans to stay on NCIS

    02:52

    Outer Limits, The (1963-65)

    David McCallum on a guest role in The Outer Limits episode "The Sixth Finger," the makeup transformation his role required, and his contributions to the script

    03:41

    Return of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Year Later Affair

    David McCallum on making The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Years Later Affair

    02:22

    Sapphire and Steel

    David McCallum on working with Joanna Lumley on Sapphire and Steel

    00:39

    Advice

    David McCallum on advice to aspiring actors

    01:18

    Characters & Catchphrases

    David McCallum on shooting the pilot of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on the expansion of his character, "Illya Kuryakin"

    02:10

    David McCallum on his character, "Illya Kuryakin's" accent, wardrobe, and wedding ring on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:57

    David McCallum on how he would describe his NCIS character, "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" and on "Ducky's" retirement and becoming NCIS historian

    01:39

    David McCallum on "Ducky's" heart attack at the end of season nine of NCIS and on his role as a mentor

    03:02

    Cold War

    David McCallum on the concept of a Russian agent and an American agent working together on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:15

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    David McCallum on mentors

    00:44

    Fame and Celebrity

    David McCallum on the popularity of his character, "Illya Kuryakin", on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and dealing with celebrity for the first time

    06:20

    Historic Events and Social Change

    David McCallum on his memories of bombs falling in England during World War II

    03:44

    David McCallum on the concept of a Russian agent and an American agent working together on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:15

    Pivotal Career Moments

    David McCallum on mentors

    00:44

    Pop Culture

    David McCallum on shooting the pilot of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and on the expansion of his character, "Illya Kuryakin"

    02:10

    David McCallum on the popularity of his character, "Illya Kuryakin", on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and dealing with celebrity for the first time

    06:20

    David McCallum on his character, "Illya Kuryakin's" accent, wardrobe, and wedding ring on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:57

    David McCallum on how he would describe his NCIS character, "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" and on "Ducky's" retirement and becoming NCIS historian

    01:39

    David McCallum on "Ducky's" heart attack at the end of season nine of NCIS and on his role as a mentor

    03:02

    Technological Innovation

    David McCallum on the innovative camera work by Til Gabbani and Fred Koenekamp on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:21

    Television Industry

    David McCallum on differences between American and British television production

    00:54

    David McCallum on changes in the TV industry since he first started in the business

    01:10

    David McCallum on additional changes in the TV industry since he first started in the business

    02:24

    David McCallum on advice to aspiring actors

    01:18

    David McCallum on the value of oral history interviews

    01:30

    War

    David McCallum on his memories of bombs falling in England during World War II

    03:44

    David McCallum on the concept of a Russian agent and an American agent working together on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:15

    World War II

    David McCallum on his memories of bombs falling in England during World War II

    03:44

    Actor

    David McCallum on his early involvement in the amateur dramatics society and how he got interested in acting

    02:18

    David McCallum on his philosophy on preparing for a role

    01:10

    David McCallum on what he likes in a director and what a director adds to a set

    02:28

    David McCallum on advice to aspiring actors

    01:18

    David McCallum on how he's dealt with the lack of job security that's part of being an actor

    01:36

    Performers

    David McCallum on his early involvement in the amateur dramatics society and how he got interested in acting

    02:18

    David McCallum on his philosophy on preparing for a role

    01:10

    David McCallum on what he likes in a director and what a director adds to a set

    02:28

    David McCallum on advice to aspiring actors

    01:18

    David McCallum on how he's dealt with the lack of job security that's part of being an actor

    01:36

    Adventure/Espionage Series

    David McCallum on playing "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    52:55

    Drama Series

    David McCallum on playing "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    23:49

    Sci-Fi/Supernatural Series

    David McCallum on a guest role in The Outer Limits episode "The Sixth Finger," the makeup transformation his role required, and his contributions to the script

    03:41

    David McCallum on working with Joanna Lumley on Sapphire and Steel

    00:39

    James T. Aubrey

    David McCallum on MGM changing when James Aubrey became president of the studio

    01:14

    Donald P. Bellisario

    David McCallum on Don Bellisario's comments to him after he auditioned for the role of "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    00:12

    David McCallum on his first day of shooting the NCIS pilot and on NCIS scripts

    00:49

    David McCallum on what Donald P. Bellisario wanted for McCallum's NCIS character, "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'"

    00:28

    Steven D. Binder

    David McCallum on crediting the writers and producers for the success of NCIS

    00:37

    Susan Bluestein

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    02:54

    Tom Brokaw

    David McCallum on his private office at MGM, close to Tom Brokaw's

    00:12

    Charles Bronson

    David McCallum on moving to Los Angeles with his first wife, Jill Ireland, who later married Charles Bronson

    00:46

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:27

    George W. Bush

    David McCallum on meeting President George W. Bush when he went to Washington, D.C. to do research for his NCIS character

    00:31

    Leo G. Carroll

    David McCallum on working with his castmates on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: Leo G. Carroll

    01:35

    Winston Churchill

    David McCallum on his respect for Winston Churchill and on being rather conservative

    02:31

    Joan Collins

    David McCallum on attending the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts with Joan Collins

    00:12

    Norman Felton

    David McCallum on how the idea for The Man From U.N.C.L.E. came about

    00:44

    Til Gabbani

    David McCallum on the innovative camera work by Til Gabbani on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:55

    Mark Harmon

    David McCallum on Mark Harmon's departure from NCIS and the relationship between "Gibbs" and "Ducky"

    01:00

    Anthony Hopkins

    David McCallum on his philosophy on preparing for a role

    00:20

    John Huston

    David McCallum on getting an agent and getting a role in the movie Freud: The Secret Passion, directed by John Huston

    01:09

    Jill Ireland

    David McCallum on moving to Los Angeles with his first wife, Jill Ireland, and on Jill losing a baby

    01:50

    Fred Koenekamp

    David McCallum on the innovative camera work by Fred Koenekamp on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    01:21

    David McCallum on the innovative camera work by Fred Koenekamp on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:11

    Joanna Lumley

    David McCallum on working with Joanna Lumley on Sapphire and Steel

    00:39

    Robert Mueller

    David McCallum on learning about pathology to play "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS (and visiting his friend, Robert Mueller, former director of the F.B.I.)

    00:53

    Chuck Painter

    David McCallum on going on a Nielsen city tour to do publicity for The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:00

    Brian De Palma

    David McCallum on "Ducky's" role as a mentor on NCIS

    00:57

    Sam Rolfe

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Illya Kuryakin" on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:28

    David McCallum on how the idea for The Man From U.N.C.L.E. came about

    00:44

    Mickey Rooney

    David McCallum on Mickey Rooney driving his golf cart through the MGM lot

    00:07

    Michael Sloan

    David McCallum on making The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Years Later Affair

    02:22

    Bonnie Timmermann

    David McCallum on how he was cast as "Dr. Donald Mallard" aka "Ducky'" on NCIS

    02:54

    Peter Ustinov

    David McCallum on working with director Peter Ustinov

    00:52

    Robert Vaughn

    David McCallum on going on a Nielsen city tour to do publicity for The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    02:00

    David McCallum on working with his castmates on The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: Robert Vaughn

    03:19

    David McCallum on re-teaming with Robert Vaughn on an episode of The A-Team, with nods to The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

    00:36

    Robert Wagner

    David McCallum on working with Robert Wagner on Colditz

    00:33

    Natalie Wood

    David McCallum on socializing with Natalie Wood

    00:21

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