"When people are doing something wrong, you're not going to ask them, 'will you tell us what you're doing wrong?' They won't tell you. You've got to find a way to get around and get to them when they're not watching."

    About This Interview

    In his three-hour interview, Howard K. Smith (1914-2002) details his time in Europe at the outbreak of World War II, first as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, later as a member of the United Press, and finally as a foreign correspondent for CBS radio. He describes covering the Nuremberg Trials, meeting Edward R. Murrow, and getting into the realm of television. Smith discusses the challenges of writing news for television, and how it differed from writing for print and radio, and chronicles his experiences working on See it Now, CBS Evening News, and Howard K. Smith: News and Comment. He reflects on what it meant to be one of "Murrow's Boys," comments on moderating the first Kennedy-Nixon debate, and speaks of his one-on-one interviews with some of the greatest political figures of the 20th century. George Herman conducted the interview on October 24, 1997 in Bethesda, MD.

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    Chapter 1

    On his childhood and early influences; on growing up in Louisiana; on wanting to be a journalist; on his college years at Tulane; on traveling to Germany after college for a summer scholarship; on hearing Hitler in Germany before the start of World War II

    13:34

    On returning to New Orleans and working for newspaper The New Orleans Item; on winning a Rhodes scholarship and returning to Europe - Austria; on President Roosevelt's visit to New Orleans; on his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford and joining the Labor Party to fight appeasement; on visiting Germany; on getting arrested by the Gestapo

    08:08

    On German television; on the outbreak of World War II in September of 1939; on leaving Oxford to work for the United Press in London and Berlin; on leaving United Press to work for CBS; on how American reporters in Germany were treated during the war

    04:54

    Chapter 2

    On journalists being arrested in Germany during World War II; on broadcasting from Germany; on not receiving an exit visa to leave Germany; on meeting his future wife; on leaving Germany on Devember 7, 1941

    06:37

    On being a radio broadcaster in Germany; on writing a book while in Switzerland and it almost becoming a Hollywood movie; on his wife arriving in Switzerland; on becoming correspodent for the Europe Underground; on meeting Edward R. Murrow

    12:35

    On meeting Bill Paley; on traveling to Holland with the U.S. Army and reporting on the Battle of the Bulge; on the Signal Corp; on returning to Berlin when the war ended; on broadcasting for all three networks 

    07:51

    Chapter 3

    On returning to New York after the war ended and going back to Germany; on radio man Paul White; on covering the Nuremberg Trials; on recording news pieces; on taking over Murrow's role as CBS chief European correspondent; on his 15 minute broadcasts

    13:24

    On how he encountered television - through Edward R. Murrow; on BBC television; on covering the 1948 political conventions in Philadelphia; on pushing for aid to Europe after the war; on Sig Mickelson creating a CBS news network for television; on his first in-studio television work 

    10:15

    On conducting one-on-one news interviews

    03:11

    Chapter 4

    On returning to America in 1956-7; on covering Little Rock; on the beginning of the end of his relationship with CBS; on working on Edward R. on Murrow's documentary Who Speaks for Birmingham?  and being suspended from his job as chief Washington correspondent; on the importance of television in the Civil Rights Movement; on being a recognizable face in the South during this time

    10:45

    On his 3 month unemployment after leaving CBS; on returning to television on ABC with Howard K. Smith: News and Comment; on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Presidential Debates; on preparation for ABC's Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

    08:17

    On The March on Washington; on JFK's assassination; on Lyndon Johnson; on coverage of The Hill; on Edward R. Murrow becoming head of the USIA

    08:25

    Chapter 5

    On on his friendship with and the legacy of Edward R. Murrow; on ad-libbing; on his son and the Vietnam War; on how his opinion on the Vietnam War changed; on his retirement; on wanting to write a book on Vietnam

    11:28

    On the 1968 political conventions in Chicago; on working with a co-anchor; on interviewing President Nixon in 1971; on Barbabra Walters replacing him after he left ABC News; on working for public television, lecturing, and moderating presidential debates; on his preparation for presidential debates

    15:41

    Chapter 6

    On his proudest career achievements; on career regrets; on the impact of television news and how instant viewing has changed over the years; on the impact of television on the presidency; on what he considers the event of the 20th century; on the cult of personality; on the integrity of the news; on the future of television news; on how he'd like to be remembered

    10:29

    On his thoughts on people with whom he's worked; on Paul White and the invention of broadcast news; on his family

    16:53

    Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

    Howard K. Smith on returning to television on ABC with Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

    03:10

    Howard K. Smith on preparation for ABC's Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

    01:30

    Civil Rights Movement

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on the importance of television in the Civil Rights Movement

    00:48

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Howard K. Smith on censorship he faced at CBS radio in Berlin during World War II

    00:35

    Howard K. Smith on leaving Germany and arriving in Switzerland on December 7, 1941

    01:29

    JFK Assassination and Funeral

    Howard K. Smith on JFK's assassination

    01:55

    Howard K. Smith on covering JFK's funeral

    01:07

    Jimmy Carter

    Howard K. Smith on moderating presidential debates

    01:21

    Kennedy-Nixon Debates

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Debates

    02:05

    Richard M. Nixon

    Howard K. Smith on interviewing President Nixon in 1971

    03:23

    Ronald Reagan

    Howard K. Smith on moderating presidential debates

    01:21

    Television and the Presidency

    Howard K. Smith on the 1968 Chicago conventions

    02:30

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Debates

    02:05

    Vietnam War

    Howard K. Smith on his son and the Vietnam War

    01:11

    War

    Howard K. Smith on censorship he faced at CBS radio in Berlin during World War II

    00:35

    Howard K. Smith on leaving Germany and arriving in Switzerland on December 7, 1941

    01:29

    World War II

    Howard K. Smith on getting arrested by the Gestapo

    00:47

    Howard K. Smith on censorship he faced at CBS radio in Berlin during World War II

    00:35

    Howard K. Smith on leaving Germany and arriving in Switzerland on December 7, 1941

    01:29

    Correspondent

    Howard K. Smith on taking over Murrow's role as CBS chief European correspondent

    01:37

    Journalists & News Producers

    Howard K. Smith on meeting President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - his start as a professional journalist

    00:55

    Howard K. Smith on broadcasting for CBS Radio and writing for "The New York Times" during World War II

    01:45

    Howard K. Smith on doing Edward R. Murrow's year-end television shows 

    01:03

    News and Documentary

    Howard K. Smith on moderating presidential debates

    01:21

    Howard K. Smith on his friendship with and the legacy of Edward R. Murrow

    03:06

    Howard K. Smith on "Murrow's Boys"

    00:31

    Howard K. Smith on doing Edward R. Murrow's year-end television shows 

    01:03

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Presidential Debates

    02:06

    Roone Arledge

    Howard K. Smith on not having a great relationship with Roone Arledge at ABC News

    01:24

    David Brinkley

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on David Brinkley

    00:12

    Jimmy Carter

    Howard K. Smith on moderating presidential debates

    01:21

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Jimmy Carter

    00:08

    Winston Churchill

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Winston Churchill

    00:19

    Charles Collingwood

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Charles Collingwood

    00:23

    Howard K. Smith on Charles Collingwood getting Smith accredited to the U.S. Army

    00:36

    Walter Cronkite

    Howard K. Smith on Walter Cronkite on television and in front of a podium

    00:31

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Walter Cronkite

    00:31

    Albert Einstein

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Albert Einstein

    00:30

    Gerald Ford

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Gerald Ford

    00:34

    Fred Friendly

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Fred Friendly

    00:09

    Leonard H. Goldenson

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Leonard Goldenson

    00:12

    Jim Haggerty

    Howard K. Smith on returning to television on ABC with Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

    01:16

    Don Hewitt

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Don Hewitt

    00:24

    Lyndon B. Johnson

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Lyndon Johnson

    00:15

    Howard K. Smith on President Johnson's speech for the Voting Rights Act

    00:36

    Howard K. Smith on Lyndon B. Johnson

    01:24

    John F. Kennedy

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on John F. Kenendy

    00:22

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Presidential Debates

    02:05

    Howard K. Smith on JFK's assassination

    01:55

    Robert F. Kennedy

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Robert F. Kennedy

    00:27

    Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Howard K. Smith on The March on Washington

    00:42

    Ted Koppel

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Ted Koppel

    00:07

    Sig Mickelson

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Sig Mickelson

    00:12

    Howard K. Smith on Sig Mickelson creating a CBS news network for television

    01:15

    Newton N. Minow

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Newton Minow

    00:19

    Edward R. Murrow

    Howard K. Smith on his friendship with and the legacy of Edward R. Murrow

    03:06

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Edward R. Murrow

    00:58

    Howard K. Smith on Edward R. Murrow

    00:20

    Howard K. Smith on meeting Edward R. Murrow

    02:34

    Howard K. Smith on meeting up with Edward R. Murrow in London and taking over Murrow's role as CBS chief European correspondent

    01:14

    Howard K. Smith on how his broadcasts differed from Murrow's

    01:39

    Howard K. Smith on getting into television through Edward R. Murrow

    02:22

    Howard K. Smith on Edward R. Murrow advising him to sign a loyalty oath and getting listed in Red Channels

    01:34

    Howard K. Smith on doing Edward R. Murrow's year-end television shows

    01:03

    Howard K. Smith on Murrow's documentary Who Speaks for Birmingham?

    02:40

    Howard K. Smith on returning to television on ABC and interviewing Murrow on air

    01:16

    Howard K. Smith on Edward R. Murrow becoming head of the USIA

    00:50

    Richard M. Nixon

    Howard K. Smith on interviewing President Nixon in 1971

    03:23

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Richard Nixon

    01:13

    News Correspondent Howard K. Smith on moderating the first of the Kennedy-Nixon Presidential Debates

    02:05

    Laurence Olivier

    Howard K. Smith on Laurence Olivier being scared of television

    00:33

    William S. Paley

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Bill Paley

    00:49

    Howard K. Smith on meeting Bill Paley

    00:45

    Howard K. Smith on being fired from CBS by Bill Paley

    00:35

    Ronald Reagan

    Howard K. Smith on moderating presidential debates

    01:21

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Ronald Reagan

    00:30

    Harry Reasoner

    Howard K. Smith on working with co-anchor Harry Reasoner at ABC

    00:50

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Harry Reasoner

    00:35

    Frank Reynolds

    Howard K. Smith on working with co-anchor Frank Reynolds at ABC

    00:50

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Frank Reynolds

    00:16

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Howard K. Smith on FDR visiting New Orleans

    03:25

    Eric Sevareid

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Eric Sevareid

    00:19

    Howard K. Smith on CBS journalist Eric Sevareid

    01:08

    Frank Stanton

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Frank Stanton

    00:17

    Barbara Walters

    Howard K. Smith on Barbabra Walters replacing him after he left ABC News

    01:24

    Howard K. Smith on his thoughts on Barbara Walters

    00:10

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