"When radio was king in the early days of television, the announcers sounded stuffy and very elegant and unapproachable. When I got into television... everybody was sort of relaxed and easygoing... I found that was the simplest way to do it." 

    About This Interview

    In his three-hour interview, Ray Forrest (1916-1999) recalls how he became television's very first news anchor, announcer, personality, and political commentator in 1939. He discusses how he got his start as a page/guide at NBC and worked his way up to junior radio announcer before becoming an announcer for NBC experimental television. He speaks at length about the early days of NBC where he announced for shows of all genres as well as breaking news events -- including the outbreak of World War II. He talks of serving in the Signal Corps during World War II, getting injured while serving in the OSS, and returning to NBC after the war. He describes what it was like to shoot remotes, for sporting events and political conventions (including the 1940 Republican convention -- the first ever televised), and recounts working in the television studios with the cumbersome lights and cameras. He recalls how, after the war, he started one of the first children's television programs, Children's Theater, and reminisces about many of his fellow colleagues during the early days of NBC television. Jeff Kisseloff conducted the interview on April 12, 1997 in New York, NY.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Ray Forrest on his first big TV job -- interviewing the stars of Gone with the Wind

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    Chapter 1

    On his early years and influences; on his father trying to bring his family to America from Germany, but instead serving in World War I for Germany; on coming to America; on wanting to get a job in radio; on attending military school; on going to Europe and then getting a job at NBC; on the importance of radio at the time he entered the industry; on his first job at NBC radio -- as a page -- and how he rose through the ranks

    14:28

    On fellow NBC pages when he was at the network; on giving Albert Einstein a tour of NBC; on rumblings about television when he worked in NBC radio; on his next step up at NBC after being a tour guide -- announcer; on his path to becoming a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    13:16

    Chapter 2

    On the shows he worked on as a junior radio announcer at NBC; on his first job as an announcer for experimental NBC TV in New York; on studio 3H - NBC's experimental television studio; on early TV equipment; on how the public first reacted to television

    14:49

    On early television makeup; on an early TV news simulcast with Lowell Thomas and Thomas' beard being problematic on camera; on subbing for Lowell Thomas in studio; on problematic cables in early TV studios and doing dramatic teleplays on Friday nights; on Broadway actors adjusting to television; on working with early NBC television program manager Warren Wade; on Dinah Shore suffering under the hot lights of early television

    12:54

    Chapter 3

    On a typical broadcast day on experimental NBC TV from 1939-1942; on early TV test patterns; on early TV test cities for experimental television: New Brunswick, NJ, and Newburgh, NY and early systems of TV ratings; on recording the opening of LaGuardia airport in New York; on remote shoots; on the 1939-40 World's Fair; on working on an early TV broadcast of a baseball game and on horse races and hockey games

    16:06

    On working with an assistant on live TV and dealing with "mic fright"; on NBC newscaster Paul Alley wanting to do color commentary for a boxing game; on using a television camera in a plane, pre-World War II; on announcing religious services and ceremonies; on televising pretty much anything you could take a picture of during the days of experimental television and the value of remotes; on the difficulties of parking the remote TV trucks when out on assignments; on how many people were watching experimental television in the early days; on feedback he received

    11:58

    Chapter 4

    On developing his personal style as an announcer; on how television announcing differed from radio announcing; on how people would reach him at the NBC offices; on the man who ran NBC's television unit before World War II -- Alfred H. Morton -- and the people who reported to him; on the advent of television commercials; on announcing at TV's first political convention in 1940 -- the Republican convention in Philadelphia

    16:50

    On other TV stations doing experimental television; on the coming of commercial television and announcing the very first commercial (for Bulova) - July 1, 1941, and the first on-camera commercial; on how commercials changed television in 1941 -- until the beginning of World War II, and on some of the early sponsors; on the on-air announcement of World War II; on being drafted into the TFPL (Training Film Production Laboratory) in World War II

    09:49

    Chapter 5

    On working for the Signal Corps during World War II and then joining the OSS (because he spoke fluent German), and getting into a serious vehicle accident; on appearing on television in uniform during World War II; on returning to NBC TV (WNBT) after World War II and how the station had changed; on how TV camera technology changed quickly and on using the image orthicon cameras

    10:18

    On Hour Glass; on doing the warm-up for Texaco Star Theater; on announcing a Joe Louis fight on The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports; on introducing theater television; on the first color television system; on introducing and hosting Children's Theater -- a children's television program composed of films; on The Tex and Jinx Show replacing Children's Theater; on being told that he was getting transferred back to radio announcing for Pat Kelly, quitting, then getting asked to host Children's Theater on Saturday mornings -- NBC's first Saturday television programming

    17:53

    Chapter 6

    On his film work (including underwater films) for the Saturday version of Children's Theater; on the awards Children's Theater won; on how long Children's Theater lasted on air and the cost of doing the show in color; on introducing films for a syndicated TV program; on leaving the television industry; on his thoughts on television today; on the importance of his work on television; on the power of television

    07:51

    On people he worked with in television; on having a children's gallery on the later version of Children's Theater and on successful promotions on the show

    09:09

    On B-roll photos from his career: of him doing an early newscast; of early NBC cameraman Joe Conn; of him interviewing Leo Rosenberg - radio's first announcer; of the NBC remote TV truck around 1940; of Belmont Park circa 1940; of Jamaica arena; of the 1940 Republican convention - the first televised convention and the first networked program; of the first on-air, live commercial for television -- for Adam Hats on July 4, 1941; of NBC's first TV shoot in a submarine; of a class on a field trip with him -- the footage of which would air on Children's Theater; of him with Milton Berle at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, circa 1948/'49; of a postcard given out on the NBC tour in the early days of television

    11:05

    Children's Theater

    Ray Forrest on hosting Children's Theater -- a children's television program composed of films, c. 1949-1951 and likely TV's first educational program

    06:06

    Ray Forrest on being told that he was getting transferred back to radio announcing for Pat Kelly, quitting, then getting asked to host Children's Theater on Saturday mornings -- NBC's first Saturday television programming

    05:49

    Ray Forrest on his film work (including underwater films) for the Saturday version of Children's Theater

    01:44

    Ray Forrest on the awards Children's Theater won

    01:43

    Ray Forrest on how long Children's Theater lasted on air and the cost of doing the show in color

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    Ray Forrest on having a children's gallery on the later version of Children's Theater and on successful promotions on the show

    01:35

    Ray Forrest on a photo of a class on a field trip with him -- the footage of which would air on Children's Theater

    00:43

    Gillette Cavalcade of Sports, The

    Ray Forrest on introducing a Joe Louis fight on The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports

    00:44

    Hour Glass

    Ray Forrest on announcing television's first regularly scheduled variety show, Hour Glass, and working with James Beard

    00:30

    Howdy Doody

    Ray Forrest on how Bob Keeshan became "Clarabell the Clown" on Howdy Doody

    00:57

    Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade

    Ray Forrest on a photo of him with Milton Berle at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, circa 1948/'49

    00:34

    Tex and Jinx Show, The

    Ray Forrest on The Tex and Jinx Show replacing Children's Theater

    01:14

    Texaco Star Theater

    Ray Forrest on doing the warm-up for Texaco Star Theater

    01:14

    1939-40 World's Fair

    Ray Forrest on attending the 1939-40 World's Fair

    00:32

    Advertising and Sponsorship

    Ray Forrest on his sign-on for NBC experimental television -- before commercial television in 1941

    00:58

    Ray Forrest on the advent of commercial television -- July 1, 1941

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on the coming of commercial television and announcing the very first commercial (for Bulova) - July 1, 1941, and the first on-camera commercial

    01:57

    Ray Forrest on announcing that NBC was now a commercial station, WNBT, and no longer W2XBS

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on how commercials changed television in 1941 -- until the beginning of World War II

    00:45

    Ray Forrest on NBC TV becoming more professional once it went commercial

    01:00

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the first on-air, live commercial for television -- for Adam Hats on July 4, 1941

    00:57

    Emmy Awards

    Ray Forrest on the awards Children's Theatre won

    00:20

    Fame and Celebrity

    Ray Forrest on how many people were watching experimental television in the early days and feedback he received

    02:22

    First Big Break

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    Historic Events and Social Change

    Ray Forrest on his father trying to bring his family to America from Germany, but instead serving in World War I for Germany

    01:38

    Ray Forrest on attending the 1939-40 World's Fair

    00:32

    Ray Forrest on his on-air announcement of the start of World War II

    01:21

    Ray Forrest on being drafted into the TFPL (Training Film Production Laboratory) in World War II

    03:04

    Ray Forrest on working for the Signal Corps during World War II and then joining the OSS (because he spoke fluent German), and getting into a serious vehicle accident

    06:02

    Ray Forrest on visiting the TV station and appearing on television in uniform during World War II

    01:04

    Memorable Moments on Television

    Ray Forrest on the advent of commercial television -- July 1, 1941

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on announcing at TV's first political convention in 1940 - the Republican convention in Philadelphia

    06:05

    Ray Forrest on the coming of commercial television and announcing the very first commercial (for Bulova) - July 1, 1941, and the first on-camera commercial

    01:57

    Ray Forrest on announcing that NBC was now a commercial station, WNBT, and no longer W2XBS

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the first on-air, live commercial for television -- for Adam Hats on July 4, 1941

    00:57

    Pivotal Career Moments

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    Pop Culture

    Ray Forrest on how many people were watching experimental television in the early days and feedback he received

    02:22

    Technological Innovation

    Ray Forrest on how hot early TV cameras were -- and how they were made cooler by painting them aluminum instead of black

    00:38

    Ray Forrest on the purpose of early TV test patterns

    02:04

    Ray Forrest on using a television camera in a plane, pre-World War II, and expanding the range of the broadcast signal

    02:01

    Ray Forrest on how TV camera technology changed quickly and on using the image orthicon cameras

    00:56

    Ray Forrest on introducing the experimental color shows out of Princeton, New Jersey

    01:09

    Television Industry

    Ray Forrest on rumblings about television when he worked in NBC radio

    01:31

    Ray Forrest on getting hired to work for NBC experimental television (1939-1942)

    03:24

    Ray Forrest on his sign-on for NBC experimental television -- before commercial television in 1941

    00:58

    Ray Forrest on a typical broadcast day on experimental NBC TV from 1939-1942

    01:46

    Ray Forrest on the advent of commercial television -- July 1, 1941

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on announcing at TV's first political convention in 1940 - the Republican convention in Philadelphia

    06:05

    Ray Forrest on the coming of commercial television and announcing the very first commercial (for Bulova) - July 1, 1941, and the first on-camera commercial

    01:57

    Ray Forrest on announcing that NBC was now a commercial station, WNBT, and no longer W2XBS

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on how commercials changed television in 1941 -- until the beginning of World War II

    00:45

    Ray Forrest on NBC TV becoming more professional once it went commercial

    01:00

    Ray Forrest on returning to NBC TV (WNBT) after World War II and how the station had changed

    02:16

    Ray Forrest on the business of television after World War II

    00:27

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the first on-air, live commercial for television -- for Adam Hats on July 4, 1941

    00:57

    War

    Ray Forrest on his father trying to bring his family to America from Germany, but instead serving in World War I for Germany

    01:38

    Ray Forrest on his on-air announcement of the start of World War II

    01:21

    Ray Forrest on being drafted into the TFPL (Training Film Production Laboratory) in World War II

    03:04

    Ray Forrest on working for the Signal Corps during World War II and then joining the OSS (because he spoke fluent German), and getting into a serious vehicle accident

    06:02

    Ray Forrest on visiting the TV station and appearing on television in uniform during World War II

    01:04

    World War II

    Ray Forrest on his on-air announcement of the start of World War II

    01:21

    Ray Forrest on being drafted into the TFPL (Training Film Production Laboratory) in World War II

    03:04

    Ray Forrest on working for the Signal Corps during World War II and then joining the OSS (because he spoke fluent German), and getting into a serious vehicle accident

    06:02

    Ray Forrest on visiting the TV station and appearing on television in uniform during World War II

    01:04

    Announcer

    Ray Forrest on his next step up at NBC after being a tour guide -- announcer

    02:25

    Ray Forrest on how senior radio announcers made money -- commercials -- and what "standby duty" was

    01:22

    Ray Forrest on how he finally got his start as a real radio announcer

    02:34

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer at NBC and on why he changed his name from "Feurestein" to "Forrest"

    02:19

    Ray Forrest on the shows he worked on as a junior radio announcer at NBC

    02:09

    Ray Forrest on most early television announcers not being happy to leave radio - they made money from commercials and television did not have commercials until 1941

    00:51

    Ray Forrest on working with an assistant on live TV and dealing with "mic fright"

    02:43

    Ray Forrest on developing his personal style as an announcer, and on how television announcing differed from radio announcing

    03:42

    Ray Forrest on the importance of likeability in television success

    00:46

    Engineer

    Ray Forrest on the importance of television engineers in the early days of the industry

    00:23

    Hosts

    Ray Forrest on his next step up at NBC after being a tour guide -- announcer

    02:25

    Ray Forrest on how senior radio announcers made money -- commercials -- and what "standby duty" was

    01:22

    Ray Forrest on the path to his start as a real radio announcer

    02:34

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer at NBC and on why he changed his name from "Feurestein" to "Forrest"

    02:19

    Ray Forrest on the shows he worked on as a junior radio announcer at NBC

    02:09

    Ray Forrest on most early television announcers not being happy to leave radio - they made money from commercials and television did not have commercials until 1941

    00:51

    Ray Forrest on working with an assistant on live TV and dealing with "mic fright"

    02:43

    Ray Forrest on developing his personal style as an announcer, and on how television announcing differed from radio announcing

    03:42

    Ray Forrest on the importance of likeability in television success

    00:46

    Technology Innovators

    Ray Forrest on the importance of television engineers in the early days of the industry

    00:23

    Children's Programming

    Ray Forrest on hosting Children's Theater -- a children's television program composed of films, c. 1949-1951 and likely TV's first educational program

    06:06

    Ray Forrest on being told that he was getting transferred back to radio announcing for Pat Kelly, quitting, then getting asked to host Children's Theater on Saturday mornings -- NBC's first Saturday television programming

    05:49

    Ray Forrest on his film work (including underwater films) for the Saturday version of Children's Theatre

    01:44

    Ray Forrest on the awards Children's Theatre won

    57:36

    Commercials

    Ray Forrest on how senior radio announcers made money -- commercials -- and what "standby duty" was

    01:22

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    News and Documentary

    Ray Forrest on an early TV news simulcast with Lowell Thomas and Thomas' beard being problematic on camera; on subbing for Lowell Thomas in studio

    04:14

    Ray Forrest on announcing at TV's first political convention in 1940 - the Republican convention in Philadelphia

    06:05

    Sports

    Ray Forrest on working on an early TV broadcast of a baseball game; on horse races and hockey games

    05:19

    Ray Forrest on NBC newscaster Paul Alley wanting to do color commentary for a boxing game

    02:43

    Ray Forrest on the difficulties of parking the remote TV trucks when out on assignments

    01:14

    Ray Forrest on introducing a Joe Louis fight on The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports

    00:44

    Eddie Albert

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in radio - Eddie Albert

    00:22

    Paul Alley

    Ray Forrest on NBC newscaster Paul Alley wanting to do color commentary for a boxing game

    01:46

    James Beard

    Ray Forrest on announcing television's first regularly scheduled variety show, Hour Glass, and working with James Beard

    00:42

    Milton Berle

    Ray Forrest on meeting Milton Berle for the first time

    00:35

    Ray Forrest on doing the warm-up for Texaco Star Theater

    01:14

    Ray Forrest on a photo of him with Milton Berle at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, circa 1948/'49

    00:34

    Joe Conn

    Ray Forrest on a photo of early NBC cameraman Joe Conn

    00:23

    Burke Crotty

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Burke Crotty

    00:31

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the NBC staff that covered the 1940 Republican convention - the first televised convention and the first networked program

    01:36

    Bill Eddy

    Ray Forrest on studio 3H - NBC's experimental television studio, lighting engineer Bill Eddy, and the heat generated by early TV lights

    02:36

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Bill Eddy, who started modern lighting for television

    00:57

    Ray Forrest on a photo of Bill Eddy

    00:14

    Albert Einstein

    Ray Forrest on giving Albert Einstein a tour of NBC and on Einstein's impressions of radio

    01:41

    Jinx Falkenburg

    Ray Forrest on The Tex and Jinx Show replacing Children's Theater

    01:14

    Dave Garroway

    Ray Forrest on other fellow NBC radio pages at the time -- Dave Garroway

    00:19

    Ray Forrest on his early impressions of Dave Garroway

    00:30

    O.B. Hanson

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - O.B. Hanson

    00:42

    Hildegarde

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Hildegarde

    00:22

    William Holden

    Ray Forrest on working with Bill Holden in the Signal Corps during World War II

    00:28

    Tom Hutchinson

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Tom Hutchinson

    00:26

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the NBC staff that covered the 1940 Republican convention - the first televised convention and the first networked program

    01:36

    Noel Jordan

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Noel Jordan

    00:17

    Bob Keeshan

    Ray Forrest on how Bob Keeshan became "Clarabell the Clown" on Howdy Doody

    00:57

    Pat Kelly

    Ray Forrest on his first job as a junior radio announcer for Pat Kelly and why he finally joined AFRA (the precursor to AFTRA)

    02:09

    Ray Forrest on being told that he was getting transferred back to radio announcing for Pat Kelly, quitting, then getting asked to host Children's Theater on Saturday mornings

    06:01

    Gypsy Rose Lee

    Ray Forrest on a TV broadcast of Gypsy Rose Lee

    00:19

    Joe Louis

    Ray Forrest on introducing a Joe Louis fight on The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports

    00:44

    Alfred H. Morton

    Ray Forrest on on the man who ran NBC's television unit before World War II -- Alfred H. Morton -- and the people who reported to him

    01:46

    Ray Forrest on a photo of the NBC staff that covered the 1940 Republican convention - the first televised convention and the first networked program

    01:36

    Edward Padula

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Eddie Padula

    00:19

    Leo Rosenberg

    Ray Forrest on a photo of him interviewing Leo Rosenberg - radio's first announcer

    00:28

    David Sarnoff

    Ray Forrest on the effort and money that David Sarnoff put into NBC experimental television

    01:32

    Ray Forrest on never meeting David Sarnoff in person, but knowing Robert Sarnoff

    01:06

    Robert Sarnoff

    Ray Forrest on never meeting David Sarnoff in person, but knowing Robert Sarnoff

    01:06

    Abe Schechter

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Abe Schechter

    00:33

    Fulton J. Sheen

    Ray Forrest on announcing religious services and ceremonies - once with Fulton J. Sheen

    00:34

    Dinah Shore

    Ray Forrest on Dinah Shore suffering under the hot lights of early television

    01:44

    Bob Smith

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Bob Smith

    00:37

    Dick Smith

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Dick Smith

    00:37

    Lowell Thomas

    Ray Forrest on an early TV news simulcast with Lowell Thomas and Thomas' beard being problematic on camera; on subbing for Lowell Thomas in studio

    04:14

    Arturo Toscanini

    Ray Forrest on the shows he worked on as a junior radio announcer at NBC -- NBC Symphony Orchestra with Arturo Toscanini

    01:53

    Ray Forrest on a postcard given out on the NBC tour in the early days of television

    01:54

    Warren Wade

    Ray Forrest on working with early NBC television program manager Warren Wade

    01:00

    Ray Forrest on on the man who ran NBC's television unit before World War II -- Alfred H. Morton -- and the people who reported to him

    01:46

    Ray Forrest on people he worked with in television - Warren Wade

    00:25

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