"There are a lot of things that I've done where I was the first black face to be out there and I was able to destroy the myth that a Black person is incapable of doing this. That, to me, is a biggie. I made a lot of stage managers, and taught them, bridged them, so that they've gotten in."

    About This Interview

    In his four-and-a-half-hour interview, James Wall (1917-2010) candidly discusses his experiences as an African American actor and stage manager on Broadway and in early television. He recalls working on entertainment programs, sports, and news programs, including stage managing 60 Minutes and CBS News with Walter Cronkite. Wall also speaks of his work on Captain Kangaroo, first as stage manager, and later as "Mr. Baxter," a teacher on the program, for whom he lobbied and created. He details what it takes to be a successful stage manager for television and the special relationship that person must share with the director. Michael Rosen conducted the interview on October 21, 1999 in New York, NY.

    All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy.
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    Chapter 1

    On his early life and influences; on moving to New York in 1929

    12:56

    On what traits he inherited from his parents, and on his early interest in the arts; on his decision to become a dancer

    14:50

    Chapter 2

    On working for his father; on his service during World War II

    18:22

    On going overseas to serve during World War II; on dancing to boost the morale of the troops during World War II

    11:17

    Chapter 3

    On segregation in the Army during World War II; on the dance team of Phillips & Wall; on getting into radio

    15:56

    On acting on the radio show "Stella Dallas" and various other radio shows; on performing on The Goldbergs

    04:34

    On the first time he saw television; on performing live on The Goldbergs; on performing on WEVD radio

    07:56

    Chapter 4

    On performing a dance on Sing it Again; on performing on The Jack Carter Show; on acting on Robert Montgomery Presents and other anthology series

    06:08

    On the challenges of appearing on live television; on working for director Norman Felton; on trying out for the role of "Kingfish" on Amos 'N' Andy

    12:04

    On appearing on NBC Opera Theatre; on stage managing "Shuffle Along" on Broadway

    10:40

    Chapter 5

    On being the first African-American stage manager on Broadway; on initially being turned down by CBS when he applied for a stage manager position at the network; on doing voice-over narration

    11:32

    On becoming stage manager on Captain Kangaroo, and on being hired to play a character on the show; on playing "Mr. Baxter" on Captain Kangaroo; on Bob Keeshan, who played "Captain Kangaroo"

    08:44

    On his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo; on his Captain Kangaroo schedule; on working with Captain Kangaroo director Peter Birch

    08:09

    Chapter 6

    On the feedback to his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo; on teaching concepts to children on Captain Kangaroo; on the technical elements of the show

    16:12

    On the basic role of a stage manager for television; on the importance of collaborating with the director as a television stage manager

    14:10

    Chapter 7

    On how television stage managers are assigned jobs; on how a stage manager is different from an assistant director in television; on stage managing various Broadway shows

    18:33

    On being a stage manager for CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite; on how he heard about the shooting of President Kennedy, while working as a stage manager on Captain Kangaroo

    10:12

    Chapter 8

    On stage-managing CBS's coverage of President Kennedy's assassination, Martin Luther King, Jr.'s funeral, and the space race; on traveling with Walter Cronkite, while he was covering various presidents; on being on-hand for Walter Cronkite's final broadcast of CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    15:19

    On being at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather; on stage-managing some 60 Minutes telecasts, and on working with Dan Rather; on stage-managing many years of the U.S. Tennis Open

    15:03

    Chapter 9

    On his greatest professional achievements, and on his medical challenges; on advice to an young television stage manager; on how Vaudeville, nightclubs, and the Army prepared him to be a television stage manager

    11:23

    On the then-current state of news on television; on his lifetime achievement award from the DGA; on various mentors in his career and continuing to work after his official retirement

    06:16

    On b-roll pictures from his career- dancing; at CBS radio in New York; on the set of Studio One with Maureen Stapleton; with Curt Browning on the set of NBC Opera; on the set of The Defender with Ralph Bellamy; with the cast of Captain Kangaroo; on the set of Captain Kangaroo; stage managing Captain Kangaroo; as "Mr. Baxter" on the set of Captain Kangaroo; Captain Kangaroo treasure house set; with Lena Horne; with the other dancers from Jamaica; with Sidney Poitier

    12:05

    60 Minutes

    James Wall on stage-managing some 60 Minutes telecasts

    04:35

    Amos 'N' Andy

    James Wall on trying out for the role of "Kingfish" on Amos 'N' Andy

    03:48

    Captain Kangaroo

    James Wall on becoming stage manager on Captain Kangaroo, and on being hired to play a character on the show

    04:56

    James Wall on playing "Mr. Baxter" on Captain Kangaroo

    02:45

    James Wall on Bob Keeshan, who played "Captain Kangaroo"

    00:56

    James Wall on his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo

    03:06

    James Wall on his Captain Kangaroo schedule

    02:06

    James Wall on working with Captain Kangaroo director Peter Birch

    02:48

    James Wall on the feedback to his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo

    01:33

    James Wall on teaching concepts to children on Captain Kangaroo

    05:23

    James Wall on the technical elements of Captain Kangaroo

    09:12

    James Wall on how he heard about the shooting of President Kennedy, while working as a stage manager on Captain Kangaroo

    01:52

    CBS Evening News with Dan Rather

    James Wall on working for Dan Rather on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather

    01:05

    CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    08:20

    James Wall on being on-hand for Walter Cronkite's final broadcast of CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    02:04

    Goldbergs, The

    James Wall on performing on The Goldbergs

    02:12

    James Wall on performing live on The Goldbergs

    04:11

    Jack Carter Show, The

    James Wall on performing on The Jack Carter Show

    01:49

    NBC Opera Theatre

    James Wall on appearing on NBC Opera Theatre

    02:12

    Robert Montgomery Presents

    James Wall on acting on Robert Montgomery Presents and other anthology series

    03:26

    Sing It Again

    James Wall on performing a dance on Sing it Again

    00:53

    Advice

    James Wall on advice to a young television stage manager

    01:31

    Anthology Drama

    James wall on the challenges of appearing on live television

    05:59

    Characters & Catchphrases

    James Wall on his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo

    03:06

    Civil Rights Movement

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s funeral

    03:54

    Creative Influences and Inspiration

    James Wall on various mentors in his career

    00:54

    Historic Events and Social Change

    James Wall on his service during World War II

    12:48

    James Wall on going overseas to serve during World War II

    08:03

    James Wall on dancing to boost the morale of the troops during World War II

    03:14

    James Wall on segregation in the Army during World War II

    10:28

    James Wall on initially being turned down by CBS when he applied for a stage manager position at the network

    04:53

    James Wall on advocating for Black representation on Captain Kangaroo when he was working as a stage manager on the show, and how that led to him being hired as "Mr. Baxter" (after an audition)

    03:10

    James Wall on how he heard about the shooting of President Kennedy, while working as a stage manager on Captain Kangaroo

    01:34

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of President Kennedy's assassination

    01:46

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s funeral

    03:54

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage John Glenn orbiting the earth, and other NASA missions

    02:40

    James Wall on being at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather

    05:32

    JFK Assassination and Funeral

    James Wall on how he heard about the shooting of President Kennedy, while working as a stage manager on Captain Kangaroo

    01:34

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of President Kennedy's assassination

    01:46

    Memorable Moments on Television

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s funeral

    03:54

    Moon Landing

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage John Glenn orbiting the earth, and other NASA missions

    02:40

    Pivotal Career Moments

    James Wall on various mentors in his career

    00:54

    Pop Culture

    James Wall on his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo

    03:06

    Representation on Television

    James Wall on initially being turned down by CBS when he applied for a stage manager position at the network

    04:53

    James Wall on advocating for Black representation on Captain Kangaroo when he was working as a stage manager on the show, and how that led to him being hired as "Mr. Baxter" (after an audition)

    03:10

    Television Industry

    James Wall on the then-current state of news on television

    00:52

    James Wall on advice to a young television stage manager

    01:31

    TV's Golden Age (1940s & '50s)

    James wall on the challenges of appearing on live television

    05:59

    Underrepresented Voices

    James Wall on initially being turned down by CBS when he applied for a stage manager position at the network

    04:53

    James Wall on advocating for Black representation on Captain Kangaroo when he was working as a stage manager on the show, and how that led to him being hired as "Mr. Baxter" (after an audition)

    03:10

    War

    James Wall on his service during World War II

    12:48

    James Wall on going overseas to serve during World War II

    08:03

    James Wall on dancing to boost the morale of the troops during World War II

    03:13

    James Wall on segregation in the Army during World War II

    10:28

    We Cried

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS's coverage of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s funeral

    03:54

    World War II

    James Wall on his service during World War II

    12:48

    James Wall on going overseas to serve during World War II

    08:03

    James Wall on dancing to boost the morale of the troops during World War II

    03:12

    James Wall on segregation in the Army during World War II

    10:28

    Production Professionals

    James Wall on being the first African-American stage manager on Broadway

    03:46

    James Wall on the basic role of a stage manager for television

    03:03

    James Wall on the importance of collaborating with the director as a television stage manager

    11:07

    James Wall on how television stage managers are assigned jobs

    03:02

    James Wall on how a stage manager is different from an assistant director in television

    01:36

    James Wall on advice to a young television stage manager

    01:31

    James Wall on how Vaudeville, nightclubs, and the Army prepared him to be a television stage manager

    03:41

    Stage Manager

    James Wall on being the first African-American stage manager on Broadway

    03:46

    James Wall on the basic role of a stage manager for television

    03:03

    James Wall on the importance of collaborating with the director as a television stage manager

    11:07

    James Wall on how television stage managers are assigned jobs

    03:02

    James Wall on how a stage manager is different from an assistant director in television

    01:36

    James Wall on advice to a young television stage manager

    01:35

    James Wall on how Vaudeville, nightclubs, and the Army prepared him to be a television stage manager

    03:41

    Children's Programming

    James Wall on stage managing and playing "Mr. Baxter" on Captain Kangaroo

    16:55

    James Wall on stage managing Captain Kangaroo, and on playing Mr. "Baxter" on the show

    16:12

    Classic Anthology Series

    James Wall on acting on Robert Montgomery Presents and other anthology series

    03:26

    Comedy Series

    James Wall on performing on The Goldbergs

    08:04

    James Wall on trying out for the role of "Kingfish" on Amos 'N' Andy

    04:12

    Music Shows & Variety Shows/Specials

    James Wall on performing a dance on Sing it Again

    00:53

    News and Documentary

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    08:20

    James Wall on working on both CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite and CBS Evening News with Dan Rather

    13:19

    James Wall on stage-managing some 60 Minutes telecasts

    04:34

    Sports

    James Wall on stage-managing many years of the U.S. Tennis Open 

    03:45

    Walter Cronkite

    James Wall on stage-managing CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    08:20

    James Wall on traveling with Walter Cronkite while he was covering various presidents

    04:53

    James Wall on being on-hand for Walter Cronkite's final broadcast of CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite

    02:04

    James Wall on being at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather

    05:34

    Ossie Davis

    James Wall on stage managing "Jamacia" on Broadway starring Lena Horne, and on being stand by for Ossie Davis

    07:53

    Norman Felton

    James Wall on working for director Norman Felton

    01:53

    Lena Horne

    James Wall on stage managing "Jamacia" on Broadway starring Lena Horne, and on being stand by for Ossie Davis

    07:53

    Bob Keeshan

    James Wall on Bob Keeshan, who played "Captain Kangaroo"

    00:56

    James Wall on the feedback to his character, "Mr. Baxter," on Captain Kangaroo with Bob Keeshan

    01:33

    James Wall on teaching concepts to children on Captain Kangaroo with Bob Keeshan

    05:23

    Dan Rather

    James Wall on being at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather

    05:34

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